143. Christians, Libertarians, and Voting: The Golden Rule Test

Are you unknowingly supporting tyranny every time you cast a ballot? This provocative question lies at the heart of our latest Bad Roman podcast episode featuring Jeb Smith, a thought-provoking writer challenging conventional wisdom on voting.

Christians, libertarians, or those who identify as both, often assume our civic duty includes heading to the polls. But what if participating in elections actually contradicts our core values? Let’s explore why voting might be fundamentally at odds with both Christian teachings and libertarian principles.

The Paradox of Voting

Jeb Smith argues that voting creates an inherent contradiction for both libertarians and Christians:

“If libertarianism is a live and let live attitude... voting is of course, the opposite of that. If libertarians get to that magic 51% and force their ways on everyone else, you’re no longer allowing Democrats and Republicans to have their way.”

This highlights a key tension: how can we claim to value individual liberty while simultaneously trying to impose our will on others through the ballot box?

For Christians, a similar dilemma emerges:

“God does not impose his way on us. He gives us the chance to choose him as Lord.”

That’s consistent with scripture:

• Matthew 7:12 – “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”

• Luke 22:25–26 – “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them… But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves.”

By voting to enact laws that align with our religious beliefs or choosing the lesser of two evils, are we not contradicting this core tenet of free will and Jesus’ call to serve rather than rule?

The Corrupting Nature of Political Power

Our discussion revealed how the very act of seeking political office often attracts individuals with troubling personality traits:

“The traits to make a successful politician are right on with what psychopaths are. There’s a large percentage of politicians and business owners… who are actually psychopaths.”

This sobering reality forces us to question whether participating in such a system aligns with our values. Are we inadvertently empowering those least suited to wield authority over others?

Reframing Our Civic Engagement

Rather than viewing voting as our primary means of effecting change, Jeb suggests a radical shift in perspective:

“One thing I won’t be doing is voting or attempting to force my way on others. Instead, I will follow the Golden Rule and treat others the way I want them to treat me.”

This approach challenges us to find more direct, personal ways of living out our values and influencing our communities. It asks us to lead by example rather than coercion.

3 Ways Christians Can Engage Without Voting

Stepping away from the ballot box doesn’t mean apathy — it can actually free us to pursue more Christlike, effective forms of engagement:

1. Invest in Relationships

• Instead of dividing over red vs. blue, break bread with neighbors across the spectrum.

• Real conversations build bridges where political shouting matches burn them.

2. Serve in Voluntary Community Initiatives

• Join or start projects that meet needs without waiting for government programs — food co-ops, mutual aid, church-led charity.

• This models the early church in Acts 2:44–45.

3. Teach and Model the Alternative

• Share resources that explain why voting contradicts both the Golden Rule and libertarian non-aggression.

• Encourage others to question whether the ballot box truly aligns with Christ’s way of peace.

For more on how the early church lived differently from the empire, see our episode on Tertullian and political disengagement and our blog post on No King but Christ.

What We Learned About Voting and Values

This episode challenges us to critically examine our assumptions about civic duty and political engagement. It asks us to consider whether our current methods of participation truly align with our deepest held beliefs.

For Christians, it prompts reflection on how we can best emulate Christ’s example of servant leadership and respect for individual choice. For libertarians, it pushes us to more fully embrace the non-aggression principle — even when it comes to the ballot box.

Ultimately, this conversation invites us all to reimagine what responsible citizenship looks like in a world where voting may do more harm than good. It challenges us to find more authentic, impactful ways of living out our values and contributing to the betterment of society.

Listen to the full episode to explore: how might stepping away from voting change your approach to civic engagement? What new opportunities for positive influence might emerge?

Let’s continue this crucial dialogue and work toward a more voluntary, compassionate society one that truly respects the dignity and autonomy of every individual.

🤝Connect with JEB SMITH:

• Jeb's Books:

  • Defending the Middle Ages: Little Known Truths About the Crusades, Inquisitions, Medieval Women, and More

  • Missing Monarchy: Correcting Misconceptions About The Middle Ages, Medieval Kingship, Democracy, And Liberty

  • The Road Goes Ever On and On : A New Perspective on J. R. R. Tolkien and Middle-earth

  • Defending Dixieland

• Fanmail and Hate mail via email: jackson18611096@gmail.com

• Jeb's Article: Is Libertarianism Consistent with Voting?

Episode Timestamps:

(0:41) Libertarianism and Voting Consistency

• “Live and let live” vs. majority rule

• Concern: Christians voting to place rulers over neighbors

(1:51) Guest Update: Jeb Smith’s Recent Work

• Defending Dixie’s Land reissued by Shotwell Publishing
  Articles with Libertarian Institute and Libertarian Christian Institute

(2:50) Libertarian Voting Paradox

• Why informed libertarians still vote

• Habit, protest voting, and misunderstandings of libertarian philosophy

(4:04) Historical Voting Patterns and Motivations

• Jeb’s past protest votes (Libertarian)

• Reflection: voting often unexamined as a social default

(5:43) Libertarian Electoral Success and Philosophical Consistency

• If Libertarians won: risk of imposing on dissenting minorities

• Tension with non-aggression and consent

(7:34) Voting as Legitimizing Corrupt Systems

• Withholding participation vs. “lesser of two evils”

• Note on turnout; argument for withdrawing support

(9:40) The Nature of Political Power and Authority

• Critique: democratic “authority” without true consent

• Coercion mechanisms: taxation, enforcement, military

(12:07) Fear and Coercion in State Power

• Fear as unifying tool of large states
  Thought experiment: local secession and central pushback

(14:37) Christian and Libertarian Approaches to Governance

• “Make the state Christian/libertarian” still relies on force

• Emphasis on consent and free will

(19:06) Democracy and Bullying

• Framing: democracy as tax-funded coercion

• Politics alters behavior; hardens attitudes

(22:23) Political Involvement and Dehumanization

• Media demonization cycles

• Immigration/ICE example raised as moral test of neighbor-love

(27:01) Disengagement from Politics

• Unplugging from news → lower stress, clearer thinking

• Better interpersonal relationships

(30:28) Voting as Participation in War

• Casting a ballot likened to joining a conflict of control

• Incompatibility with libertarian non-aggression and Jesus’ kingdom ethic

(34:10) Secularization of Christianity through Politics

• Enforcing faith via state power vs. Christ’s model of service/consent

• Biblical concern: another “king” between us and neighbor

(36:16) The Corrupting Nature of Political Power

• Campaign incentives: compromise and ambition

• Preference for servant leadership over power-seeking

(40:08) Psychopathy in Politics and Business

• Claim: politics attracts control-oriented personalities

• Risk: concentrated power amplifies harm

(42:29) The Golden Rule and Political Non-Participation

• Jeb’s stance: no voting; no forcing others

• Reported outcomes: improved relationships; reduced stress

(47:54) Additional Resources and Contact Information

• Books noted; open invite for dialogue

• Direction to further critiques of democracy

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123. Democracy vs. Monarchy: Are We Truly Free? with Jeb Smith

About this Episode

What if everything you thought about democracy was wrong? In our latest episode, Jeb Smith, author of "Missing Monarchy,"challenges the conventional wisdom on governance, exploring the surprising benefits of medieval kingship over modern democracy. Are we truly freer today, or have we misunderstood the past?

In our conversation, we explore:

The Misconceptions of Democracy: Jeb argues that democracy may not be the beacon of freedom we believe it to be. Discover why he believes medieval societies offered more liberty than our current systems.

The Role of Kingship: Far from being tyrannical, medieval kingship was decentralized and voluntary, offering a unique form of governance that respected individual choice.

The Power of No King but Christ: How the teachings of Christ can guide us away from political entanglements and towards a more authentic Christian life.

Jeb Smith takes us through history, sharing how his transition from atheism to Christianity and his study of pre-14th-century European history reshaped his understanding of governance and liberty. He states, "In the Middle Ages…there's not a king passing laws. The laws are derived from the people organically in their customs that lasted over hundreds of years." This perspective invites listeners to reconsider the centralized power of modern democracy and its impact on individual freedom.

The conversation turns to the Christian principle of "No King but Christ," urging believers to prioritize divine authority over earthly institutions. Jeb and Craig explore how this idea can guide Christians in navigating the complexities of government, emphasizing that no human institution should dictate one's life if it contradicts Christ's teachings.

Jeb also critiques the modern education system, describing it as a tool for creating compliant citizens rather than fostering independent thinkers. He warns, "If people have no solid foundation and no roots running deep in the soil, they can be easily swept off by the current agenda of the day." This analysis encourages listeners to examine the influences shaping their beliefs and actions.

As the discussion unfolds, Jeb challenges the effectiveness of libertarianism within the current political framework, quoting Lysander Spooner: "Under democracy, a man finds himself inspired by a government that he cannot resist, a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights under peril and weighty punishment." This critique invites listeners to question whether true liberty can be achieved through existing political structures.

Tune in on your favorite podcast player as Jeb unpacks these provocative ideas and shares insights from his book, "Missing: What Americans Get Wrong about Monarchy, Democracy, Feudalism, and Liberty." The dialogue not only questions the status quo but also offers a perspective on the intersection of faith, governance, and education. This episode is sure to pique your curiosity and inspire you to reflect on the principles that should guide our Christian lives.

Connect with Jeb Smith:

• Amazon Author Page

• Fanmail and Hate male via email: jackson18611096@gmail.com

Episode Timestamps:

(1:08) Jeb's Background

• Jeb shares his upbringing in Vermont within a Christian family

• his initial rejection of faith due to unanswered questions

• His journey through atheism, influenced by secular education, eventually led him back to Christianity through apologetics and creationist literature.

• Jeb describes his political journey from a conservative American Christian to a libertarian,

(5:18) Influence of Tolkien and Historical Insights

• Jeb's admiration for J.R.R. Tolkien's works, which incorporate anarchist and libertarian themes, inspired him to explore Anglo-Saxon history. 

• His research revealed a libertarian and anarchist form of governance in pre-conquest England, challenging modern perceptions of monarchy.

(8:12) Identity and Labels

• Craig and Jeb discuss the complexity of political and religious labels

• importance of individual thought and the limitations of labels in capturing the nuances of personal beliefs

(9:25) Christianity and Politics

• critiques the conflation of Christianity with political figures like Trump

• dangers of aligning faith with political agendas

• importance of separating religious beliefs from political identities to maintain the integrity of Christian teachings

(11:01) The Dangers of Political Allegiance

• How political allegiance can distort Christian values

• need for Christians to prioritize their faith over political affiliations to avoid being swayed by partisan agendas

• universal appeal of Jesus' teachings, which transcend religious boundaries and resonate with people of various beliefs.

(14:24) Western Christianity's Challenges

• divergence between Western and Eastern Christianity

• influence of cultural and political factors on the practice of Christianity in the West

(15:46) Breaking Free from Political Labels

• liberation found in stepping away from political affiliations

• importance of independent thought and the benefits of viewing issues from multiple perspectives.

(19:06) The Power of Discourse

• value of honest conversations beyond political divides is highlighted

• role of media in shaping public opinion and the need for critical engagement with information sources are discussed.

• tracing the influence of media and propaganda back to the 14th century and its impact on public perception.

(22:01) Voluntarism and Anarchism

• The nuances between voluntarism and anarchism

• appeal of decentralized governance as seen in medieval times

(25:11) Medieval Governance and Libertarianism

• Jeb delves into the libertarian aspects of medieval kingship

• decentralized power and laws were derived from longstanding customs

• voluntary nature of medieval societies is contrasted with modern centralized governments, offering insights into historical governance models.

(30:36) The Role of Kings in Medieval Society

• The limited power of medieval kings is examined, challenging modern perceptions of monarchy as inherently oppressive. 

• The king's role as a protector and upholder of law, rather than a ruler, is discussed, highlighting the community-driven nature of medieval governance.

(35:13) Decentralization and Self-Government

• benefits of decentralized governance

(39:45) Abortion and Government Involvement

• The role of government in moral issues like abortion 

• importance of cultural and educational influences over legislation. 

• Jeb and Craig advocate for a society where moral decisions are guided by personal beliefs and community values rather than government mandates.

(43:24) Rebellion Against Tyranny

• The medieval perspective on resisting tyrannical rulers

• importance of prioritizing divine law over human authority

• power of collective disobedience in challenging unjust laws and the role of faith in guiding moral actions

(45:51) Education and Indoctrination

• The critique of modern education systems as tools for conformity

• emphasis on the need for independent judgment and critical thinking 

• The role of education in shaping societal values and obedience

(54:18) Democracy and Totalitarianism

• The inherent progression of democracies towards totalitarianism 

• limitations of conservative and libertarian values within a democratic system

• challenges of maintaining individual freedoms and resisting the centralization of power are 

(59:09) Libertarianism and Political Realities

• limitations of libertarianism within the current political framework 

• need for decentralization to truly achieve libertarian ideals

• importance of allowing diverse communities to coexist, each with its own set of values and governance structures

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