67. What do gambling and voting have in common? with Paul Varkey

About this Episode

Craig is joined by Paul Parayil for his first-ever podcast appearance. Through his prolific and provocative writings, Paul advocates for liberty, truth, honesty, and the Kingdom of God. His blog and Facebook posts have garnered quite a following. In this episode, they discuss Paul's article, "Do you believe Gambling is a vice? I don't think you do". In the article, Paul grabs the attention of the evangelical right audience and shows how Christians engage in high-stakes gambling on something worse than cards. Fear produces voting, but just like casino gambling, the house (or the state) always wins.

When the church condones the state's violence, it fails to align with people's consciences, becoming a stumbling block. However, the church will find itself more attractive when Christians promote Jesus's basic teachings of self-governance and doing no harm. We use the term Christian Anarchist because a core component of Christianity has been lost. Instead, that which should be an obvious and natural occurrence in the church must be emphasized. Anarchy is implied, and the entire gospel message is summed up in one sentence: No King but Christ. 

Since the beginning of the church, we have had one King. Jesus never sought political office! It is morally inconsistent of us to believe we have the right to coerce our neighbors with political power gained through participation in state activities, be they politics or voting. We are more consistent with Jesus's actions when we serve from the fringes of society with love and charity. The beginning of the healing of this world is through peacefully walking away from the gamble that is voting.

Paul's social media: 

• FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/paul.varkey , 

• Hive blog

Episode Timestamps:

1:15 Introduce Paul

• Enjoys writing 

  • Initially, to clarify his own thoughts

  • Found others enjoy thinking outside the box and reading his writings

• Often interacting in various Christian Anarchist circles

• Family originally from India 

  • A family of practicing Christians 

  • When Paul was three, his parents immigrated to the Middle East (Saudi Arabia) and lived there until he graduated from high school

  • Christmas holidays were spent visiting family in India

• Education

  • Graduated high school in Saudi Arabia

  • Went back to India for college

  • Moved to the US as a graduate student in 2004

  • Moved to California to work as a software engineer in 2011

  • Been working in Tech since then

5:45 How did Paul come to Christian anarchy?

• Brought up as Christians in Saudi Arabia.

• Moved to Chicago at 21 years old

  • Began thinking about politics

  • Knew he was pro-life because it's a matter that evangelicals care about

  • Became a republican quickly

• Knew that his support for GOP was tribalism  

• Heard of Ron Paul and what he had to say about:

  • The Fed

  • The Military-Industrial Complex, https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/social-sciences/military-industrial-complex 

  • Regulatory capture of the big corporations

• Provoked into considering the logical inconsistency of his own beliefs 

  • Began looking into political libertarianism

  • Kicked and screamed for a few years into anarchy 

• Was not aware of Christian anarchism 

  • A closet Christian Anarchist 

  • No one to fellowship with

  • Craig also had a similar experience until he came across the Anarcho Christian Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/groups/645893438920507 

10:15 What is Christian Anarchism?

• The early church were anarchists 

  • Including Jesus 

• No title; the word didn't exist

  • But they practiced it

  • It was an obvious part of being a Christian

    • Do you tell people that you are a "virgin birthist"? 

    • There's no need to specify because most Christians believe in it

    • So it was with Christian anarchy in the early church 

  • A core message has been lost of how the kingdom of God works with nations here

• We've lost an essential message of the gospel, so we must use the label to emphasize it

• It's okay to disagree with others

  • Secular anarchists

  • Or even Paul of Tarsus

• It's more important to follow Jesus than anarchy

15:35 No King But Christ 

• Essentially communicates the whole gospel message 

  • While implying anarchy

• How are secular anarchists preaching better moral truths than the church? 

• Anarcho Christian Facebook group:

  • Don't all agree on Christian doctrines

  • They at least agree on the anarchist outlook

• More people seem to be latching onto anarchy

  • Self-rule

  • Do no harm

  • Don't take my things

  • Follow the basic teachings of Christ

• Voluntaryism doesn't trigger Christian minds to think of chaos.

• In the right-leaning "Christian" culture, there is an identification of patriotism and nationalism as the proper practicing of faith

20:30 Paul pokes the bear to make people think.

• The biggest tragedies of the church: 

  • We lost the concept of No King But Christ 

  • Colluding with the state

  • In both the Eastern Christian and Western church circles

  • We have compromised our values

22:46 Read Paul’s Article: "Do you believe Gambling is a vice? I don't think you do."

• Grabbing the attention of the evangelical right

  • It's addressed to people who think gambling is a vice or sin

• There is a loser in gambling

  • There is also a winner; it's always the house

• In the casino, most of the participants frequently lose

  • Some participants win big, keeping people hooked

  • The only one who wins is the house.

• Gambling is a vice because you produce no real wealth, 

  • One of us is poorer based on luck

  • There is nothing godly about this

• There is something far worse than gambling 

  • Christians engage in it regularly 

  • This form of gambling has a house, and the house always wins.

• When you vote, you wager your own life and liberties and securities.

  • Cannot recover lost freedoms back from the state through voting

  • You legitimize the beast through voting

29:05 What is voting?

• The state says, "Come along. All of you will lose some liberties, but some of you will have the chance to have less of your liberties taken."

• Fear takes over when people vote

• There are more than two people to choose from

31: 48 What is the state?

• Takes people's liberties

• Has never once shrunk

  • States grow or collapse.

• Taking the chance and succumbing to fear keeps the house growing

  • Yet people vote for candidates they don't like

• The idea of your "civic duties" being to vote is ridiculous

• "Go vote" is a religious mantra

• It doesn't matter to the elites who wins

  • The aura of the legitimacy of the beast improves when people show up to vote

  • Republicans are Democrats 2.0

  • Don't put others in power over your neighbours

36:00 God alone gives liberty 

• Jesus sets us free, not the US

  • There may be some good outcomes from voting

    • God makes good come from evil

• Paul's moral analysis of voting is the reason he doesn't

  • I don't have the right to dominate my neighbour

    • No coercing them to behave the way I want

    • Unlikely to bring more liberty

    • It's still a gamble

• Anarchists joining libertarian parties promote the state

39.00 Why don't Christians just walk away?

• One solution to the problems of government

  • Peacefully walk away

  • Christians should know this and opt out

• The empire is falling and we already have a King

  • Power will corrupt

  • You will lose while growing the state

• If someone is addicted to any addictive substance, they cannot go cold turkey

  • Voting gives a dopamine hit

  • If you feel the need to vote, at least vote for a third party

  • Take other political actions 

• The Libertarian parties will never take over the state

  • Their message is good

• Paul does more good outside of political processes 

  • Being morally consistent with his beliefs

• If anyone was going to change the US system, it would have been Ron Paul

  • You cannot change the mafia from the inside 

  • The point of the mafia is to be the mafia

  • Ron Paul changed awakened people https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/ron-paul-5118.php 

• Voting is a risk; why not simply obey Jesus Christ?

• When Satan tempted Jesus with authority, He didn't rebuke Satan, telling him that the authority was not his to give. Instead, He said, "No, I'm good." https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%204%3A1-11&version=NIV 

• Likewise, Christians should say, "No, I'm good." 

  • rather than seek power

  • Seek Jesus as our King

• The early church writings show:

  • They had no interest in the Roman Empire 

  • Tertullian called the affairs of the state foreign https://quotepark.com/authors/tertullian/quotes-about-the-world/

  • The kingdom of God is a literal Kingdom

  • Their King did not use a sword against Caesar and Pilot 

  • They expanded the kingdom through love, charity, and service

  • From outside the system

• Christians can enrich anarchism with the teachings of Christ

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146. Christianity without Compromise: Jesus Centered Life, Not Left or Right with Jake Doberenz

When Christians step into the political arena, do we realize how much compromise it takes to stay there?

It’s easy to think that casting a vote, joining a campaign, or posting about “God and country” is just doing our civic duty. But what happens when the cross gets buried under a flag and we call that faithfulness?

In this episode of The Bad Roman Podcast, Craig Hargis sits down with Jake Doberenz, host of Christianity Without Compromise and writer of the Smashing Idols Substack, to unpack what happens when believers give their loyalty to Caesar and call it discipleship. From a rigged high-school election to the moral chaos of modern war, this conversation asks a dangerous question:

👉 Can you follow Jesus without compromise and still play the political game?

The Illusion of Influence: Why Our Votes Don’t Redeem the System

Jake shares a funny but revealing story from high school: helping count ballots in a student election that didn’t add up. The “safe” candidate won, even though the “popular” one clearly had more votes.

It’s small potatoes compared to Washington, D.C., but the lesson hit deep – politics is messy because power always corrupts. Even good intentions get swallowed up by systems built on ambition, control, and fear.

The same thing happens every election season in America. Christians line up behind the lesser of two evils and call it righteousness, forgetting that evil (lesser or not) is still evil. As Craig puts it:

“We’re outsourcing our sin to politicians and calling it stewardship.”

We tell ourselves that our guy will make a difference, that our vote “matters.” But as history and Scripture both show, when human power is the goal, the Kingdom always gets compromised.

Israel’s King Problem: A Warning from 1 Samuel 8

When Israel demanded a king, God warned them exactly what would happen:

“He will take your sons for his army, your daughters for his servants, your fields for his gain. You will cry out because of your king, but the Lord will not answer you.” (1 Samuel 8)

They wanted to be “like the nations.” They wanted the comfort of a visible ruler, something tangible they could trust. But a king, any king, always costs something. And as Jake points out, the story of David proves it.

David began as a humble man after God’s heart, refusing to kill Saul, honoring God above self. But the moment he put on the crown, the corruption began. Politics twisted even the best of men.

Sound familiar? We see it every election cycle. The promises start holy, the slogans sound moral, but once power hits the bloodstream, compromise follows.

The lesson is timeless: You can’t have a king and still claim “No King but Christ.”

Psalm 146: A Better Political Manifesto

If the modern church needs a political platform, Psalm 146 should be it:

“Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save… Blessed are those whose help is the God of Jacob.”

Politicians die. Policies change. Empires fall. But the Kingdom of God is consistent: feeding the hungry, freeing prisoners, lifting up the oppressed, and frustrating the wicked.

The psalmist describes God’s Kingdom as everything the state isn’t: compassionate instead of coercive, restorative instead of retaliatory, faithful instead of fickle.

When Christians defend injustice in the name of national interest, when we justify violence because it’s “our side” doing it, we aren’t advancing the Kingdom…we’re betraying it.

Romans 12 Before Romans 13

Jake makes a crucial point: never read Romans 13 before Romans 12.

Romans 12 tells us to bless our enemies, to overcome evil with good, and to refuse revenge. Then comes Romans 13, the chapter everyone loves to quote to justify obedience to government.

But if your reading of Romans 13 gives Caesar permission to do what Jesus forbids you to do, you’ve missed the point. The passage isn’t a loophole for Christians to fund or bless violence, it’s a reminder that God can use even corrupt governments for His purposes. It’s descriptive, not prescriptive.

The call remains the same: love your enemies, feed your enemies, pray for those who persecute you.

That’s the real revolution.

Consistency: The Most Radical Witness

Craig and Jake both circle back to one word: consistency.

It’s what made Jesus so magnetic. He didn’t just preach love of enemy, He practiced it, even as they nailed Him to a cross.

Consistency is what gives the gospel credibility. When Christians say “love your neighbor” but vote for leaders who bomb them, the world notices. When we preach peace but cheer for war, seekers walk away.

Jake shared a story of a friend who left the faith after watching Christians justify the slaughter in Gaza. “If this is Christianity,” he said, “I want nothing to do with it.”

That’s the cost of inconsistency. Not just hypocrisy, but lost souls.

Repentance and Reorientation

Repentance isn’t a guilt trip. It’s a direction change. As the Bible Project puts it, repentance means to turn around.

If your politics have hardened your heart, turn around.
If you’ve placed hope in princes and policies, turn around.
If you’ve excused violence because your side did it, turn around.

Refocus on the Sermon on the Mount. Build your life, and your worldview, on that mountain, not Capitol Hill.

A Different Kind of Politics

Neither Craig nor Jake are anti-political, they’re anti-idolatry. They believe in a Kingdom politics rooted in the Beatitudes, not ballots.

As Jake said:

“Jesus has a politics. But it looks nothing like America, or Uganda, or anywhere else on earth.”

The Kingdom of God is a government without coercion, a rule where the King dies for His enemies instead of killing them. That’s the politics of the Lamb.

It’s time for the church to recover it.

No King but Christ

When we call Jesus “King,” it’s not a metaphor. It’s an allegiance statement. It means nobody else gets to be king, not presidents, not pastors, not parties.

Craig sums it up perfectly:

“My allegiance is to Jesus. Not a president, not a senator, not a mayor. Jesus Christ alone.”

If that sounds radical, good. The early church was called radical too. Polycarp, Origen, and Tertullian all refused to worship the emperor. They were accused of being bad Romans.

Maybe that’s what faithfulness still looks like today.

Listen & Reflect

🎧 Listen to the full episode: Christianity without Compromise: Jesus Centered Life, Not Left or Right with Jake Doberenz, available on all major podcast platforms.

💬 Question for reflection:
If Jesus is King, what does that mean for how you engage with politics, power, and national identity?

📖 Scriptures to Revisit:
1 Samuel 8 | Psalm 146 | Matthew 5–7 | Romans 12–13

🤝Connect with Jake Doberenz:

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Introducing guest Jake Doberins

• Host of Christianity Without Compromise and author of Smashing Idols SubStack

• Exploring Christian involvement in politics and its real-world impact

(1:00) From “Smashing Idols” to “Christianity Without Compromise”

• Jake explains the podcast’s name change for clarity and focus

• Connection between his Substack and podcast projects

(2:26) Standing firm on the words of Jesus

• Discussing the need for consistency in following Christ’s teachings

• Rejecting political debates and distractions

(4:07) Jake’s background and calling

• Biblical Studies and Theological Studies degrees

• From church ministry to media ministry and podcast production

(8:00) Early political experience

• Jake’s role as Republican Club president in high school

• First-hand exposure to campaigns and local politics

(15:22) Wrestling with faith and politics

• Questioning whether political life aligns with Christian convictions

• Recognizing the temptation to compromise for success

(19:52) The cost of Christian political involvement

• Exploring how “outsourcing sin to Caesar” harms others

• Challenging Christians to see the damage caused by state loyalty

(24:12) Consistency as Christian witness

• Why inconsistency weakens the gospel message

• The power of living out “No King but Christ”

(28:51) 1 Samuel 8 and Israel’s demand for a king

• God’s warning about taxation, conscription, and oppression

• Parallels between ancient Israel and modern Christian nationalism

(32:00) Reading Romans 13 through Romans 12

• Understanding submission to government through enemy-love

• The Sermon on the Mount as the Christian’s true political manifesto

(35:35) The corrupting nature of power

• How King David’s downfall reveals the danger of authority

• Politics as a distraction from devotion to Jesus

(40:17) Psalm 146 — trusting God, not princes

• Contrast between human rulers and God’s faithfulness

• Reminder that only God’s Kingdom endures

(45:39) The mission behind Christianity Without Compromise

• Refocusing believers on Jesus over modern idols

• Addressing politics, Christian nationalism, and misplaced loyalties

(50:28) Encouragement for Christian creators

• Craig calls for more podcasts, blogs, and projects centered on Jesus

Importance of sharing the message: No King but Christ

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145. Charlie Kirk and the Lamb of God: Can You Carry the Flag and the Cross at the Same Time?

After Charlie Kirk’s tragic death, a deeper conversation has surfaced about the growing entanglement of Christianity and politics.

This episode of The Bad Roman Podcast steps into that tension and explores what happens when the Church trades the cross for a campaign.

Our guest, Brian Drinkwine, is a pastor and church planter who has walked that road himself. He went from a passionate political believer to a follower of Christ learning to question the marriage between faith and power. His viral post about Charlie Kirk’s memorial service sparked a national conversation and revealed how uneasy many Christians feel about the blending of faith and political ideology.

The Malaise of Modern Christianity

There is a growing discomfort in the Church, a spiritual restlessness that Brian calls malaise. Many believers sense that something is wrong, even if they cannot explain it.

This episode gives language to that unease and helps people who feel out of place in modern Christianity find words for what they feel.

“You’re not crazy,” Brian says to those who feel out of step. “You saw this and thought, something’s not right. You chose to give your allegiance to Jesus alone. That should be celebrated, not condemned.”

That is the heartbeat of The Bad Roman: No King but Christ.

It is not a slogan but a return to the simplicity and power of early Christianity.

The Danger of Political Allegiance

One of the clearest insights from this conversation is that political parties often act like religions.

Each one has its own sacred texts, rituals, and values. For some, the Constitution becomes scripture. Voting becomes a sacrament. Party leaders become prophets.

When Christians give their ultimate loyalty to these political “religions,” they risk betraying the Kingdom of God.

“We cannot serve both God and Mammon,” Brian reminds us. “And sometimes, political power becomes the new Mammon.”

This is not theory. It is a call to honest reflection.
Have we allowed our politics to shape our faith more than the teachings of Jesus?

Reframing Faith and Politics

Throughout the episode, Brian and Craig invite listeners to rethink what it means to follow Jesus in a politically divided world.

1. Patriotism vs. Nationalism: It is good to appreciate your country. But when love of nation becomes ultimate loyalty, it becomes idolatry.

2. The Narrow Path: Following Jesus is not about finding middle ground. It is about choosing a completely different way. The Kingdom of God is not found on the right or the left. It is found on the narrow road of Christ.

3. Repentance as Revolution: The word metanoia means a complete change of mind. It is not about guilt but about turning back to Jesus as King.

4. The Power of Forgiveness: The difference between Erica Kirk’s forgiveness and the calls for revenge at the memorial shows what Kingdom love really looks like.

Practical Steps for Realignment

If your faith feels tangled up in politics, Brian offers a few ways to begin untangling it.

• Take a “politics fast.” Step away from political media and spend time in the Gospels instead.

• Simplify your faith. Start again with the basics, like the Sermon on the Mount.

• Check your allegiances. Ask yourself, “If loving others like Jesus meant losing my party loyalty, could I do it?”

• Speak prophetically. True patriotism tells the truth, even when it is uncomfortable.

What This Teaches Us About Faith and Politics

This conversation is a mirror for all of us who have ever mixed our love for Jesus with our loyalty to empire. It reminds us that our mission is not political victory but faithfulness to Christ.

In a world divided by tribalism, allegiance to Jesus is the most countercultural thing we can offer.

“On the other side of my political allegiance,” Brian says, “when I gave that up and fully gave myself to Jesus, it is just a better life.”

So where does your allegiance really lie?
Are you ready to walk away from the noise and return to the way of Jesus?

The Kingdom still calls.

No King but Christ.

🤝Connect with Brian Drinkwine:

• Email: brian@briandrinkwine.com

• Website: https://briandrinkwine.com/

• Linkedin

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• Facebook

• Instagram 

• Ministry at Breakthrough Church

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Discussing reactions to Charlie Kirk's death

• Brian Drinkwine joins to discuss varied reactions to Kirk's passing

• Read Brains post here

• Examining potential blurred lines due to nationalism

• Questioning if some churches have lost focus on "no king but Jesus"

(0:48) Brian Drinkwine's background

• Grew up in Nashville, Tennessee in independent fundamental Baptist tradition

• Transitioned to Southern Baptist church and found faith at youth camp

• Experience in youth ministry and church planting

(4:09) The viral post about Charlie Kirk

• Origin of Drinkwine's post addressing the tragedy

• Unexpected widespread response and impact

• Dealing with the flood of messages and notifications

(10:45) Addressing the church's response

• Preparing a message to bring the congregation together

• Importance of uniting around Jesus rather than political parties

• Transcribing and adapting the message for social media

(23:52) Reflections on the memorial service

• Conflicting emotions during Charlie Kirk's memorial

• Redeeming moments and problematic statements

• Struggle with nationalistic undertones in Christian spaces

(29:19) The danger of political allegiance

• Exploring the concept of allegiance in faith and politics

• Matthew Bates' book "Salvation by Allegiance Alone"

• Warning against getting sucked back into allegiance to empire

(35:32) Early church perspective on empire

• Examining how early Christians responded to empire

• Importance of studying church fathers like Tertullian

• Unpopularity of this view in mainstream churches

(41:34) The malaise in modern Christianity

• Growing sense of unease among followers of Jesus

• Need to return to Jesus as the solution

• Importance of simplifying faith and focusing on basic teachings

(54:46) Christian nationalism and its impact

• Difference between patriotism and nationalism

• Danger of giving full allegiance to political parties

• Need for a prophetic voice while appreciating one's country

(1:06:56) Tools for self-reflection

• Developing a breakdown of political parties and Jesus as rival religions

• Creating a 10-point checklist for assessing political engagement

• Importance of distinguishing between political identity and identity in Christ

(1:17:34) Conclusion and future discussions

• Potential follow-up episode on political parties and Jesus as religions

• Invitation for listeners to engage in dialogue

• Plans for online community discussions on these issues

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144. Half the Image of God: Women, Scripture & the Church

Are we silencing half the Body of Christ?

For centuries, churches have taught that men lead while women serve quietly in the background. But what if this isn’t God’s design at all? What if the church has been hobbling along on one leg, because we’ve sidelined half the image of God?

This is the heart of our latest Bad Roman conversation with biblical teacher Matt Mouzakis, who joins Craig to revisit the creation story, Paul’s letters, and the witness of the early church. Together, they ask: Did Jesus and the apostles intend women to lead, teach, and shepherd alongside men? Spoiler: the resurrection was first preached by women, and that was no accident.

The Genesis Misread

We’ve often heard that Eve was created from Adam’s “rib,” a secondary helper. But the Hebrew word tsēlāʿ is better translated as side, not rib (Exodus 25:12). Eve was not a spare part—she was Adam’s other half.

Likewise, ʿēzer kenegdo (often rendered “helper suitable”) is the same word used for God as Israel’s strong ally (Psalm 121). Far from denoting subordination, the text paints Adam and Eve as co-priests in Eden, tasked with stewarding creation together.

Paul in Context: 1 Timothy 2

One of the most-cited passages against women in ministry is 1 Timothy 2. But the Greek words tell a different story:

• Epitrepo (commonly translated “permit”) is a situational allowance, not an eternal decree.

• Authentein (usually rendered “exercise authority”) means to usurp or domineer, not healthy spiritual leadership.

In context, Paul was addressing a crisis of false teaching in Ephesus (1 Timothy 1:3–7), not issuing a permanent ban. His real command? “Let the women learn.” In the first-century world, that was radical.

The Corinthian Puzzle

Another stumbling block is 1 Corinthians 14:34–35, where Paul seems to demand women be silent. But some manuscripts omit these verses entirely, while others move them around — suggesting they may have been a marginal scribal note later copied into the text.

And even if we keep them, they cannot override Paul’s instructions in 1 Corinthians 11, where he expects women to pray and prophesy in the gathered assembly.

What “Headship” Really Means

When Paul says “the husband is the head of the wife,” he uses the Greek word kephalē. In English, “head” often implies boss. But in Greek, kephalē more commonly means source or lifeline.

If we read kephalē as hierarchy, we run into theological problems—because Paul also says “the head of Christ is God” (1 Cor 11:3). That doesn’t make the Son less divine. Instead, it emphasizes relationship and origin.

In Ephesians 5, Paul doubles down: Christ is the “savior of the body,” not its tyrant. Husbands are called to love their wives as Christ loved the church—through self-sacrifice, not domination.

Women Who Led Anyway

The witness of scripture itself contradicts the idea of silenced women:

• Junia, “outstanding among the apostles” (Romans 16:7)

• Priscilla, who taught Apollos (Acts 18:26)

• Phoebe, deacon, patron, and first carrier of Romans (Romans 16:1–2)

• Deborah, prophet and judge (Judges 4–5)

• Huldah, prophet consulted by King Josiah (2 Kings 22)

The receipts are in the text—and in history.

Why This Matters (Kingdom over Empire)

If “No King but Christ” is more than a slogan, then His Kingdom must shape how we live and lead. Genesis 3’s “he will rule over you” was a diagnosis of the Fall, not God’s ideal. In Jesus, that curse is undone.

The church should be the first place where we refuse to sideline half the image of God.

3 Ways Churches Can Honor the Full Image of God

1. Re-examine the texts honestly:  Stop proof-texting. Read passages like 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 in their cultural, linguistic, and historical context.

2. Make space for women’s voicesa: From preaching to leadership, invite women to bring their Spirit-given gifts to the community—just as the early church did.

3. Practice mutual submission: Ephesians 5:21 calls all believers to submit to one another. Build a culture of mutual service, not hierarchy.

Final Word

This isn’t about bending to culture, it’s about recovering God’s original design and Christ’s new creation.

So ask yourself: What might change in your church if women were seen not as assistants, but as co-laborers in Christ?

🤝Connect with Matt Mouzakis:

• Email: matt@expedition44.com

• Book: Principalities, Powers and Allegiances 

• Previous Episodes with Matt:

  • "What about Romans 13?"

  • From Eden to Empire: Deuteronomy 32 & Christ’s Nature with Matt Mouzakis (Part 1)

  • From Eden to Empire: First Peter's Insights (Part 2)

  • From Eden to Empire: Romans 13 Line by Line (Part 3)

  • The Beasts and the Lamb of Revelation: From Eden to Empire (Part 4)

  • Jesus as King: Rediscovering the True Translation of "Christ" with Duncan Palmer and Matt Mouzakis (EP 139)

• Expedition 44 podcast:

  • Website: expedition44.com

  • Co-hosted by Matt Mouzakis and Dr. Will Ryan

Episode Timestamps:

(1:35) Complementarian vs. Egalitarian

• Defining the two camps: different “roles” vs. shared authority

• The history of the term “roles” (introduced only in the 1970s)

• Why both sides appeal to scripture but often miss the context

(6:00) Craig’s Journey

• Growing up taught that women must be subordinate

• How years of study and the Bad Roman Project flipped his view

• The resurrection moment: women as the first to proclaim the gospel (John 20, Matthew 28)

(14:00) Genesis Re-Read: Not a Rib, but a Side

• The Hebrew tsēlāʿ (commonly translated “rib”) actually means “side” (Exodus 25:12)

• Adam and Eve as two halves, not hierarchy

• “Bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh” (Genesis 2:23)

(19:00) “Helper Suitable”: God as Ally

• The Hebrew phrase ʿēzer kenegdo (often rendered “helper suitable”) is used of God Himself (Psalm 121)

• Means “strong ally” or “partner alongside,” not assistant

• Adam and Eve depicted as priests in Eden (Genesis 2:15)

(24:00) Genesis 3 and the Fall

• “He will rule over you” as consequence of sin, not God’s design (Genesis 3:16)

• New Creation in Christ breaks this curse (Galatians 3:28)

(26:24) 1 Timothy 2 in Context

• False teachers in Ephesus (1 Timothy 1:3–7)

• “I do not permit” (epitrepo, Greek for “allow/permit”) is situational, not eternal command

• “I do not permit a woman to authentein (Greek verb, often translated ‘exercise authority’ but better understood as ‘domineer’ or ‘usurp’) a man”

• Paul’s actual command: “Let the women learn”

(31:00) Students, Not Silenced

• “Quietness and full submission” = posture of learning, not gag order

• Paul encouraging women to be educated in a culture that denied them

(38:00) 1 Corinthians 14 and the “Silence” Verses

• Some manuscripts don’t contain 1 Cor 14:34–35

• Others place the verses in different spots (likely a scribal note)

• Must be read alongside 1 Cor 11, where Paul expects women to pray and prophesy

(41:00) Headship: What Does “Head” Mean?

• Kephalē (Greek word usually translated “head”) means source or lifeline, not “boss”

• “The head of Christ is God” (1 Cor 11:3) — hierarchy here would break Trinitarian theology

• Ephesians 5: Christ as savior of the body (care, not command)

(47:00) Husbands & Wives in Ephesians 5

• Mutual submission (Ephesians 5:21)

• Jerome noted “submit” was added later in v.22

• Husbands called to love as Christ loved (self-sacrificial service)

(57:00) Women Leaders in Scripture

• Junia, “outstanding among the apostles” (Romans 16:7)

• Priscilla, teaching Apollos (Acts 18:26)

• Phoebe, deacon and patron, carrier of Romans

• Deborah (Judges 4–5), prophet and judge of Israel

• Huldah (2 Kings 22), prophet consulted by King Josiah

(1:09:00) Why This Matters to Matt

• Scripture led him to change his view, not culture

• Personal passion as a father of daughters and husband in ministry

• The church can’t afford to silence half the image of God

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143. Christians, Libertarians, and Voting: The Golden Rule Test

Are you unknowingly supporting tyranny every time you cast a ballot? This provocative question lies at the heart of our latest Bad Roman podcast episode featuring Jeb Smith, a thought-provoking writer challenging conventional wisdom on voting.

Christians, libertarians, or those who identify as both, often assume our civic duty includes heading to the polls. But what if participating in elections actually contradicts our core values? Let’s explore why voting might be fundamentally at odds with both Christian teachings and libertarian principles.

The Paradox of Voting

Jeb Smith argues that voting creates an inherent contradiction for both libertarians and Christians:

“If libertarianism is a live and let live attitude... voting is of course, the opposite of that. If libertarians get to that magic 51% and force their ways on everyone else, you’re no longer allowing Democrats and Republicans to have their way.”

This highlights a key tension: how can we claim to value individual liberty while simultaneously trying to impose our will on others through the ballot box?

For Christians, a similar dilemma emerges:

“God does not impose his way on us. He gives us the chance to choose him as Lord.”

That’s consistent with scripture:

• Matthew 7:12 – “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”

• Luke 22:25–26 – “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them… But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves.”

By voting to enact laws that align with our religious beliefs or choosing the lesser of two evils, are we not contradicting this core tenet of free will and Jesus’ call to serve rather than rule?

The Corrupting Nature of Political Power

Our discussion revealed how the very act of seeking political office often attracts individuals with troubling personality traits:

“The traits to make a successful politician are right on with what psychopaths are. There’s a large percentage of politicians and business owners… who are actually psychopaths.”

This sobering reality forces us to question whether participating in such a system aligns with our values. Are we inadvertently empowering those least suited to wield authority over others?

Reframing Our Civic Engagement

Rather than viewing voting as our primary means of effecting change, Jeb suggests a radical shift in perspective:

“One thing I won’t be doing is voting or attempting to force my way on others. Instead, I will follow the Golden Rule and treat others the way I want them to treat me.”

This approach challenges us to find more direct, personal ways of living out our values and influencing our communities. It asks us to lead by example rather than coercion.

3 Ways Christians Can Engage Without Voting

Stepping away from the ballot box doesn’t mean apathy — it can actually free us to pursue more Christlike, effective forms of engagement:

1. Invest in Relationships

• Instead of dividing over red vs. blue, break bread with neighbors across the spectrum.

• Real conversations build bridges where political shouting matches burn them.

2. Serve in Voluntary Community Initiatives

• Join or start projects that meet needs without waiting for government programs — food co-ops, mutual aid, church-led charity.

• This models the early church in Acts 2:44–45.

3. Teach and Model the Alternative

• Share resources that explain why voting contradicts both the Golden Rule and libertarian non-aggression.

• Encourage others to question whether the ballot box truly aligns with Christ’s way of peace.

For more on how the early church lived differently from the empire, see our episode on Tertullian and political disengagement and our blog post on No King but Christ.

What We Learned About Voting and Values

This episode challenges us to critically examine our assumptions about civic duty and political engagement. It asks us to consider whether our current methods of participation truly align with our deepest held beliefs.

For Christians, it prompts reflection on how we can best emulate Christ’s example of servant leadership and respect for individual choice. For libertarians, it pushes us to more fully embrace the non-aggression principle — even when it comes to the ballot box.

Ultimately, this conversation invites us all to reimagine what responsible citizenship looks like in a world where voting may do more harm than good. It challenges us to find more authentic, impactful ways of living out our values and contributing to the betterment of society.

Listen to the full episode to explore: how might stepping away from voting change your approach to civic engagement? What new opportunities for positive influence might emerge?

Let’s continue this crucial dialogue and work toward a more voluntary, compassionate society one that truly respects the dignity and autonomy of every individual.

🤝Connect with JEB SMITH:

• Jeb's Books:

  • Defending the Middle Ages: Little Known Truths About the Crusades, Inquisitions, Medieval Women, and More

  • Missing Monarchy: Correcting Misconceptions About The Middle Ages, Medieval Kingship, Democracy, And Liberty

  • The Road Goes Ever On and On : A New Perspective on J. R. R. Tolkien and Middle-earth

  • Defending Dixieland

• Fanmail and Hate mail via email: jackson18611096@gmail.com

• Jeb's Article: Is Libertarianism Consistent with Voting?

Episode Timestamps:

(0:41) Libertarianism and Voting Consistency

• “Live and let live” vs. majority rule

• Concern: Christians voting to place rulers over neighbors

(1:51) Guest Update: Jeb Smith’s Recent Work

• Defending Dixie’s Land reissued by Shotwell Publishing
  Articles with Libertarian Institute and Libertarian Christian Institute

(2:50) Libertarian Voting Paradox

• Why informed libertarians still vote

• Habit, protest voting, and misunderstandings of libertarian philosophy

(4:04) Historical Voting Patterns and Motivations

• Jeb’s past protest votes (Libertarian)

• Reflection: voting often unexamined as a social default

(5:43) Libertarian Electoral Success and Philosophical Consistency

• If Libertarians won: risk of imposing on dissenting minorities

• Tension with non-aggression and consent

(7:34) Voting as Legitimizing Corrupt Systems

• Withholding participation vs. “lesser of two evils”

• Note on turnout; argument for withdrawing support

(9:40) The Nature of Political Power and Authority

• Critique: democratic “authority” without true consent

• Coercion mechanisms: taxation, enforcement, military

(12:07) Fear and Coercion in State Power

• Fear as unifying tool of large states
  Thought experiment: local secession and central pushback

(14:37) Christian and Libertarian Approaches to Governance

• “Make the state Christian/libertarian” still relies on force

• Emphasis on consent and free will

(19:06) Democracy and Bullying

• Framing: democracy as tax-funded coercion

• Politics alters behavior; hardens attitudes

(22:23) Political Involvement and Dehumanization

• Media demonization cycles

• Immigration/ICE example raised as moral test of neighbor-love

(27:01) Disengagement from Politics

• Unplugging from news → lower stress, clearer thinking

• Better interpersonal relationships

(30:28) Voting as Participation in War

• Casting a ballot likened to joining a conflict of control

• Incompatibility with libertarian non-aggression and Jesus’ kingdom ethic

(34:10) Secularization of Christianity through Politics

• Enforcing faith via state power vs. Christ’s model of service/consent

• Biblical concern: another “king” between us and neighbor

(36:16) The Corrupting Nature of Political Power

• Campaign incentives: compromise and ambition

• Preference for servant leadership over power-seeking

(40:08) Psychopathy in Politics and Business

• Claim: politics attracts control-oriented personalities

• Risk: concentrated power amplifies harm

(42:29) The Golden Rule and Political Non-Participation

• Jeb’s stance: no voting; no forcing others

• Reported outcomes: improved relationships; reduced stress

(47:54) Additional Resources and Contact Information

• Books noted; open invite for dialogue

• Direction to further critiques of democracy

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142. Stateless Psalms: Songs for Liberty with Ancap Tim

In a world where faith and politics are often tangled together, it’s rare to find conversations that cut through the noise and ask hard questions. That’s exactly what happened in this episode of The Bad Roman Podcast, where Craig sat down with musician and self-proclaimed Christian anarchist, Ancap Tim.

This episode wasn’t just about politics or protest music. It was about peeling back layers of cultural conditioning and asking one bold question: Are we following Christ, or are we just obeying the empire?

From Republican Loyalty to Radical Discipleship

Tim’s story might sound familiar at first. He grew up in a typical evangelical Christian home, voted Republican without question, and even had George W. Bush’s face on his 18th birthday cake. (Yes, really.)

But over time, cracks started to form. As he wrestled with what he believed and why, especially after encountering voices like Ron Paul and Tom Woods, Tim began to question not just politics, but the systems behind them. Eventually, those questions led him to a surprising place: Christian anarchism.

The Power Behind the Flag

One of the most powerful moments in the episode came when Tim broke down how the state claims moral authority:

“When a government is formed and authority is given to this magical force with their magic flag and magic song, they can go and kill people with immunity.”

If you’ve grown up pledging allegiance and voting every election cycle, this might feel uncomfortable. But discomfort isn’t always bad. Tim’s point is clear: the state claims powers that directly contradict Christ’s teachings. And far too often, Christians go along with it.

Challenging the God-and-Country Narrative

In many American churches, patriotism and faith are treated like one and the same. But as Tim pointed out, that pairing can quickly become idolatry:

“Let’s cheer on the war machine every time there’s a war. If you don’t support the military, then you’re not a real Christian almost. They won’t say that, but some would.”

It's worth asking: when churches wave the flag higher than the cross, what message are we sending?

A Return to Early Church Simplicity

At the heart of this conversation is a return to something older and simpler. Tim puts it this way:

“We don’t play with politics. We don’t vote. We don’t do any of that stuff. We just follow Jesus. We already have a king, the best king in the world.”

This isn't about disengaging from the world. It’s about living differently inside of it. Just like the early church, Christian anarchists seek to embody Christ’s kingdom, not prop up Caesar’s.

What Does Christian Anarchism Look Like in Practice?

If this sounds radical, it’s meant to. But it’s also deeply practical. Here are a few takeaways from the episode for anyone curious about living out this perspective:

1. Question authority (even when it wears a cross or waves a flag).

2. Reject violence in all forms, even when it’s sanctioned by the state.

3. Invest in real community through direct action and mutual care.

4. Keep your eyes on the Kingdom by placing Christ above any political allegiance.

Tim’s music, including his album The State’s Just a Mafia, puts these values into sound. From critique to hope, each track carries the same message: there’s a better way, and it starts with Christ alone.

Rethinking Citizenship, One Conversation at a Time

This episode reminded us that Christian anarchism isn’t about chaos or rebellion for rebellion’s sake. It’s about realignment. It's about refusing to confuse empire with righteousness, and choosing to live in a way that reflects Jesus—not just in belief, but in practice.

So here’s the challenge: take a moment and ask yourself what you’ve always believed about faith, politics, and power. Where did those beliefs come from? Who benefits when you hold onto them?

If you're willing to wrestle with those questions, you're in the right place.

🎧 Listen to the full episode to hear the full story, and check out Tim’s music under Ancap Tim on all major streaming platforms.

And remember: sometimes being a good Christian means being a bad Roman.

🤝Connect with Ancap Tim:

• Website: https://ancaptim.crd.co/

• Apple Music

• Spotify

• YouTube

• Amazon Music

• Instagram

• Facebook

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Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Guest Introduction: Musician Ancap Tim

• Tim's journey to Christian anarchism

• Using music to express political and religious views

(2:06) Tim's Background and Journey

• Raised in a typical evangelical Christian home

• Initially, a die-hard Republican supporter

• Shift in perspective after exposure to Ron Paul's ideas

(5:02) Evolution of Political Views

• Transition from Republican to libertarian thinking

• Disillusionment with the political system and voting

(7:50) Reconciling Christianity and Anarchism

• Influence of Bad Roman Podcast and alternative interpretations of scripture

• Challenging traditional evangelical views on government

(10:27) Conversation with a Baptist Pastor

• Craig's encounter at a farmer's market

• Introducing the concept of "no king but Christ" to traditional church leaders

(12:52) Tim's Musical Journey

• Experience touring with Christian band Avery Road

• Observations on church dynamics and financial struggles in music ministry

(15:15) Critique of Modern Christianity

• Discussion on the corporate nature of some churches

• Importance of genuine Christian community and love

(20:37) Universal Restoration and Doctrinal Differences

• Tim's perspective as a "hopeful universalist"

• Critique of doctrinal arguments within Christianity

(23:56) Tim's New Album: "The State's Just a Mafia"

• Album structure and themes

• Intentional placement of "No King But Christ" as the final track

(36:35) Album Cover Design

• Description of the album artwork

• Use of AI and human artists in the design process

(47:55) Tim's Music Style and Future Plans

• Description of Tim's musical style as a mix of folk, country, and alt-rock

• Potential plans for future albums

(49:34) Where to Find Tim's Music

• Available on major streaming platforms

• Physical copies (CDs and vinyl) available through Elastic Stage

(52:38) Conclusion and Support

• Encouragement to subscribe, rate, and share the podcast

• Information on donations to local charities in Memphis, Tennessee

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141. What Gardening Taught Us About Freedom, Faith, and Community with Corey Ellerbe

What if growing a tomato could change your life?

Okay, maybe that sounds dramatic. But as we learned in our latest episode of The Bad Roman Podcast, planting that first seed might be the beginning of something much deeper, something that touches your spirit, strengthens your community, and helps you step away from systems that don’t serve you.

We sat down with Corey Ellerbe to talk about his gardening journey, how it started, what it’s become, and why it might just be one of the most quietly revolutionary things you can do right now.

From Tomatoes to Food Forests: How It All Started

“I started with just a few tomatoes,” Corey says, “and now I’m dreaming of food forests and agroforestry systems.”

That’s the thing with gardening, it often starts small. A pot of basil on the windowsill. A raised bed in the backyard. Then one day, you’re talking about companion planting, composting, and building systems that can sustain generations.

But Corey’s story is bigger than just a growing love for plants. Like many of us, 2020 shook something loose. The fragility of supply chains, the limits of store shelves, the creeping feeling that we might be more dependent than we want to admit. That was a wake-up call. And gardening became a way to take back a bit of control—and to reconnect with something real.

Why Gardening Matters Right Now

We’re more disconnected from our food than ever. Most of us don’t know where our groceries came from, how they were grown, or what systems were involved in getting them to us. Gardening changes that. It brings you back to your roots—literally and spiritually.

But it also opens up bigger questions:

• What would it look like to produce food locally again?

• How can we depend less on centralized systems that often fail us?

• Can growing food be a form of peaceful resistance?

Corey says yes. And we think he’s onto something.

Key Takeaways from the Conversation

🌱 Start Small—But Start

Corey’s advice for beginners? Don’t try to do everything at once.

“Even if it’s just herbs in a pot,” he says, “that’s a start. And every expert gardener started as a beginner.”

You don’t need land or a greenhouse to begin. Just start with what you’ve got and build from there.

🌾 Gardening as a Quiet Revolution

Gardening doesn’t seem political. But it can be. Choosing to grow your own food instead of buying into industrial ag systems is a step toward independence.

“It’s about rendering the state obsolete through market action,” Corey explains, tying the philosophy back to agorism and voluntaryism. You're not just growing food. You're reclaiming your autonomy.

🤝 Grow Food, Grow Community

One of the most beautiful parts of gardening? It brings people together. Whether you’re trading tomatoes at a local farmers’ market, swapping seeds with neighbors, or helping someone start their first raised bed (these actions build bonds).

“We’re not meant to be totally self-sufficient,” Corey reminds us. “We’re created for community.”

It’s a reminder that self-sufficiency doesn’t have to mean isolation. In fact, the most resilient communities are the ones that grow together.

✝️ Gardening as Worship

For Corey, gardening is also a spiritual practice.

“Watching how everything works together, the soil, the pollinators, the weather, it’s incredible,” he says. “It shows the beauty of God’s design.”

Tending a garden becomes an act of stewardship. It’s a way of caring for creation and slowing down enough to notice the small miracles around us.

Practical Tips for Getting Started

Whether you’re in a city apartment or have a few acres, here’s what Corey suggests:

• Know your zone. It’s not everything, but understanding your climate will help you pick plants that thrive where you are.

• Work with nature. Instead of spraying chemicals, learn about beneficial insects and natural pest control.

• Try stuff. Some things will die. Some will surprise you. Gardening is one big experiment.

• Talk to local gardeners. Your neighbors (and local nurseries) often have the best advice for your area.

Final Thoughts: What Will You Plant?

This conversation reminded us that gardening isn’t just about food. It’s about slowing down, looking around, and choosing to live differently. It’s about getting your hands dirty, yes, but also getting your soul fed.

So whether you’re dreaming of chickens and food forests, or just wondering if you could keep a basil plant alive, this episode is for you.

Here’s how to keep growing:

• 🎧 Listen to the full episode with Corey Ellerbe.

• 📺 Check out Corey’s YouTube channel, Old 37 Homestead, for how-tos and inspiration.

• 🌱 Plant one thing. Just one. And see what grows from there.

Every garden starts with a seed. What will you plant today?

🤝Connect with Corey:

• Old 37 Homestead: Corey Ellerbe's YouTube channel

Episode Timestamps:

(0:44) Gardening and Agrism Discussion

• Importance of self-sufficiency and reduced reliance on the state

• Introduction of guest Corey Ellerbe and his YouTube channel Old 37 Homestead

(1:01) Background on Corey's Gardening Experience

• Living in Central Florida

• Initial interest in gardening as a teenager

• Starting gardening after marriage on an acre of land

(3:38) Craig's Gardening Journey

• Recent start in gardening with pepper plants

• Challenges with bugs and plant care

(6:46) Gardening Advice from Corey

• Working with nature rather than against it

• Importance of natural predators in pest control

• Regional gardening considerations

(13:39) Corey's Gardening Philosophy

• Focus on agroforestry and food forests

• Adapting to Florida's unique climate and soil conditions

(25:04) Gardening as a Way to Subvert the State

• Discussion on self-sufficiency and community building

• Comparison to historical examples like the fall of the USSR

(45:35) Gardening and Relationship with Christ

• Corey's perspective on God's design in nature

• Observations on synergy in natural systems

(54:55) Old 37 Homestead YouTube Channel

• Overview of Corey's approach to content creation

• Focus on real-life gardening experiences and challenges

(1:06:27) Advice for New Gardeners

• Starting small and not overwhelming yourself

• Importance of regional-specific gardening knowledge

(1:15:07) Gardening Zones and Regional Considerations

• Explanation of gardening zones and their significance

• Adapting plants to different climates

(1:19:39) Closing Thoughts

• Encouragement for listeners to explore gardening

• Importance of community and self-sufficiency

Episode Resources:

1. David the Good: Gardening author and blogger specializing in Southeast/Florida gardening

2. freedomcells.org: Website for connecting with like-minded individuals for community building

3. Stefan Verstappen: Survivalism and prepping expert

4. Curtis Stone: Agorist anarchist gardener from West Canada

5. Sal the Agorist (Sal Mayweather): Advocate for using markets to subvert the state

6. USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map: Tool for determining gardening zones based on zip code

7. Farmer's markets: Suggested as a great place to learn about regional gardening and find local produce

8. Vermicomposting: Method of using worms for composting

9. Agroforestry and food forest systems: Gardening approaches mentioned by Corey

10. Pigeon pea: Plant example given for perennial food production

11. Hatsune Miku: Mentioned as an example of a virtual pop star (tangential to main discussion)

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140. From Fox News to Faith with Patrick Green

Have you ever felt like your political beliefs were holding you back from truly following Christ? Many Christians struggle to reconcile their faith with their allegiance to earthly governments. In this eye-opening episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, host Craig Harguess sits down with Patrick Green to explore his transformative journey from state worship to embracing the radical message of "No King But Christ."

A Tale of Two Kingdoms

Patrick's story is a powerful reminder that we all start somewhere on our spiritual journeys. Like many Americans, he once placed his trust in political solutions and government institutions:

"At my worst, I couldn't wait to get home from work to turn on Sean Hannity and have him tell me how we were going to save America from the evil Democrats. That's just how lost I was at that point in my life."

Does this resonate with you? Many of us have been caught up in the fervor of partisan politics, believing that if we just elect the right people or pass the right laws, everything will be better. But as Patrick discovered, this mindset often leads us away from Christ rather than towards Him.

The Turning Point

For Patrick, several key realizations shattered his faith in earthly governments:

• Reading libertarian authors like Lysander Spooner and Murray Rothbard exposed the true nature of the state.

• Studying the public school system revealed the inherent conflict of interest in state-run education.

• Examining the Pledge of Allegiance through a Biblical lens highlighted its idolatrous nature.

But the most profound shift came through reading Scripture with fresh eyes. Patrick shares:

"When I read 1st Samuel 8 for the first time, I was instantly cured of any and all remnants of worshiping the government in politics. Whatever was left of that idol was completely smashed."

This passage, where the Israelites demand a king despite God's warnings, speaks powerfully to our modern idolatry of the state. It challenges us to examine where we've placed our ultimate allegiance.

Embracing a New Identity

As Patrick's eyes were opened to the truth of "No King But Christ," he experienced a radical transformation:

• He no longer sees political opponents as enemies, but as fellow image-bearers of God.

• He's replacing symbols of state worship (like patriotic tattoos) with reminders of his allegiance to Christ.

• His hope for change is now rooted in the Gospel, not political action.

This shift didn't happen overnight. It took years of patient conversations, personal tragedy, and deep engagement with Scripture. But the result is a faith that's more vibrant, more Christ-centered, and more aligned with the Kingdom of God.

Challenges and Practical Advice

If you're feeling convicted about your own relationship to earthly governments, Patrick's story offers some valuable insights:

1. Be patient with yourself and others. Deconstructing deeply held beliefs takes time.

2. Dive deep into Scripture, especially passages that challenge our assumptions about power and authority.

3. Seek out mentors and resources that can help you navigate this journey.

4. Remember that our ultimate citizenship is in heaven, not any earthly nation.

What We Learned About Following Christ in a Political World

Patrick's testimony is a powerful reminder that Jesus calls us to a radically different kind of kingdom. Here are the key takeaways:

• Our allegiance to Christ should supersede any loyalty to earthly governments or political ideologies.

• The Bible offers a profound critique of human power structures that's as relevant today as it was thousands of years ago.

• True freedom and transformation come from submitting to Christ as our only King, not from political solutions.

Are you ready to examine your own beliefs about faith and politics? I encourage you to listen to the full episode for even more insights. And if you have your own story of moving from state worship to "No King But Christ," we'd love to hear it. Share your thoughts in the comments or reach out to us directly.

Remember, our call is to be in the world but not of it. Let's challenge ourselves to live as citizens of God's kingdom first and foremost, trusting in His sovereignty above all earthly powers.

🤝Connect with Patrick:

• Podcast: Spotify, Apple, more!

• Email: 100foldtestimonies@gmail.com

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Guest Introduction: Patrick Green

• Host of One Hundred-Fold Testimonies podcast

• Focus on Patrick's journey from statism to "no king but Christ" understanding

(0:58) Patrick's Background and Testimony

• Grew up in Catholic Church, attended Catholic schools

• Lukewarm faith and lack of understanding of the gospel message

• Three phases of salvation: breaking down barriers, personal tragedy, receiving the Word

(7:26) Political Idolatry and Awakening

• Patrick's past obsession with politics and government

• Reading libertarian books by Lysander Spooner and Murray Rothbard

• Realizing the true nature of government and the state

(8:28) Overcoming Evolution as a Barrier to Faith

• Impact of Lee Strobel's "The Case for a Creator"

• Discovering scientific support for Christianity

(10:31) Personal Tragedy and Faith Journey

• Experience of multiple miscarriages

• Struggle with anger towards God and feelings of despair

(18:55) Turning to Scripture

• Reading the entire Bible for the first time in 2021

• Impact of 1 Samuel 8 on understanding government and allegiance

(26:37) Lessons from Biblical Parables

• Parable of the laborers in the vineyard

• Softening judgmental attitudes towards others

(38:55) Transformation and New Perspective

• Rejecting political "teams" and embracing fellow humanity

• Understanding deception and seeking truth in Jesus

(41:16) Secular Awakening

• Questioning public school system and government education

• Rethinking the Pledge of Allegiance and national identity

(52:48) Comfort and Government Dependence

• Discussion on people's reluctance to let go of government "care"

• Critique of 24-hour news cycles and political polarization

(56:13) Both Sides of Politics

• Realizing similarities between political parties

• Marketing different brands of politics to divided populace

(59:04) Conclusion and Podcast Information

• Introduction to Patrick's new podcast: 100 Fold Testimonies

• Call for listeners to share their Christian testimonies

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139. Jesus as King: Rediscovering the True Translation of "Christ" with Duncan Palmer and Matt Mouzakis

Jesus the King: Redefining Our Understanding of Christ's Authority

Have you ever considered the profound impact of a single word? In the realm of biblical translation, one word can reshape our entire understanding of Jesus' role in our lives and the world. This episode of the Bad Roman Podcast delves into a revolutionary perspective on how we view Jesus Christ, challenging us to reconsider our approach to faith, politics, and our place in God's kingdom.

The Power of Translation

When we read the Bible, we often take the words at face value, rarely questioning the choices made by translators. But what if a crucial term has been consistently mistranslated, obscuring a fundamental truth about Jesus' identity?

Duncan Palmer, a self-described "Bible curmudgeon," shares a startling revelation:

The word 'Christ' is not even an English word, it's a Greek word. And nobody knows what it means. Very few people out there really know what it means.

This insight opens up a world of misunderstanding that has shaped Christian theology and practice for centuries. The term "Christ," which we often use as a surname for Jesus, actually means "anointed one" or, more precisely, "king."

Reimagining Jesus as King

Imagine if every time you read "Jesus Christ" in the Bible, you instead read "King Jesus" or "Jesus the King." How would this shift your perception of His authority and your relationship to Him?

Matt Mouzakis, co-host of Expedition 44, emphasizes the importance of this perspective:

If we started saying Jesus the King instead of Jesus the Christ, would it change how we approach others when it comes to politics?

This simple change in terminology has the power to revolutionize how Christians engage with the world around them, particularly in the realm of politics and governance.

The Kingdom of God vs. Earthly Kingdoms

One of the most striking implications of recognizing Jesus as King is the stark contrast it draws between His kingdom and the kingdoms of this world. Duncan Palmer puts it bluntly:

Every politician is an antichrist. They are a substitute king. They are replacing Jesus in our minds and hearts.

This challenging statement forces us to reconsider our allegiances and priorities. If Jesus is truly our King, how can we justify pledging allegiance to earthly rulers or placing our hope in political systems?

Matt Mouzakis adds depth to this perspective by referencing the work of political scientist Neel Isaiah:

He outlines three different approaches to Christians in the world: Christianism (essentially Christian nationalism), separationism, and prophetic witness.

The concept of "prophetic witness" emerges as a compelling alternative to both political engagement and complete withdrawal from society. It calls Christians to live in the world while maintaining a distinct identity and message, speaking truth to power from the margins rather than seeking to dominate from the top.

Practical Implications for Christian Living

Recognizing Jesus as King isn't just a theological exercise—it has profound implications for how we live our lives:

1. Redefining allegiance: Our primary loyalty is to Jesus, not to any earthly government or leader.

2. Rethinking political engagement: Instead of trying to "transform" secular institutions, we focus on building God's kingdom through love and service.

3. Embracing a counter-cultural lifestyle: We're called to live differently, embodying the upside-down values of God's kingdom.

4. Speaking prophetically: We have a responsibility to critique unjust systems and point to God's better way.

As Duncan Palmer reminds us:

We don't pledge allegiance to these fakes and substitutes. We pledge our allegiance to Jesus as King. Follow him only as King.

What We Learned About Jesus' Kingship

This episode challenges us to radically reorient our understanding of Jesus and our place in the world. By recognizing Him as our true King, we're called to:

• Question our assumptions about the role of government and our participation in it.

• Reevaluate our translations and interpretations of Scripture.

• Live as ambassadors of God's kingdom, distinct from the systems of this world.

• Speak truth to power from a place of humility and service.

The implications of this shift in perspective are far-reaching and potentially transformative for both individual believers and the church as a whole.

Are you ready to see Jesus in a new light? To embrace His kingship not just in theory, but in practice? The challenge is clear: to live as citizens of God's kingdom first and foremost, allowing that allegiance to shape every aspect of our lives.

To dive deeper into these revolutionary ideas, you can listen to the full episode of the Bad Roman Podcast wherever podcasts are found. And for further exploration, check out Matt Mouzakis's new book, "Principalities, Powers and Allegiances," available on Amazon, which delves into these themes in greater detail.

Let's embrace the radical truth of Jesus' kingship and allow it to transform how we engage with the world around us. After all, as Christians, we are called to follow Christ, not the state. It's time to live that truth boldly.

🤝Connect with OUR Guests:

1. Matt Mouzakis'

• New Book: Principalities, Powers and Allegiances - available on Amazon

  1. Previous Episodes wth Matt:

     • "What about Romans 13?"

     • From Eden to Empire: Deuteronomy 32 & Christ’s Nature with Matt Mouzakis (Part 1)

     • From Eden to Empire: First Peter's Insights (Part 2)

     • From Eden to Empire: Romans 13 Line by Line (Part 3)

     • The Beasts and the Lamb of Revelation: From Eden to Empire (Part 4)

• Expedition 44 podcast:

• Website: expedition44.com

• Co-hosted by Matt Mouzakis and Dr. Will Ryan 

2. Duncan Palmer

• Duncan’s Writings 

• https://peakd.com/a/@creatr/b

• https://ecency.com/a/@creatr/b

• The Curmudgeon's Bible series

• Duncan’s Christian Library series

• Email: duncan@sharefreely.com

• Previous Episodes with Duncan Palmer:

  • Tyrants be Gone with Duncan Palmer

  • Translating the Bible – Is the Greek Right?

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Discussing Jesus as King vs. Christ

• Duncan Palmer and Matt Mouzakis return to explore the meaning of "Christ"

• Consideration of how viewing Jesus as King might change political perspectives

(1:04) Duncan Palmer's return and personal anecdotes

• Craig and Duncan reminisce about Duncan's visit to Memphis

• Discussion of Craig's homemade salsa and its varying heat levels

(3:05) Matt Mouzakis’s return and book announcement

• Matt's new book "Principalities, Powers and Allegiances" is introduced

• Book's success on Amazon and forward by Brian Zahn

(7:45) Greek translation issues and Bible interpretation

• Duncan's frustration with modern Bible translations

• Importance of understanding historical context in Bible interpretation

(13:22) Duncan's epiphany about the word "Christ"

• Realization that "Christ" means "King" in Greek

• Impact of translating "Christ" as "King" in Bible reading

(19:41) Antichrist as replacement for Christ

• Discussion of the Greek prefix "anti" meaning replacement or substitute

• Every politician as an "antichrist" by replacing Jesus as king

(22:58) Personal experiences with "King Jesus" terminology

• Matt shares stories of explaining "Christ" meaning "King" to others

• Challenges faced when emphasizing Jesus as King in church settings

(50:20) Exploring the concept of Jesus as King

• Duncan and Matt discuss the implications of viewing Jesus as King

• Critique of Christian nationalism and hierarchical church structures

(1:04:43) The church as God's method of ruling

• Matt explains how God rules through spiritual gifts, not hierarchy

• Comparison to body parts working together without hierarchy

(1:14:26) Call to recognize Jesus as the true King

• Duncan emphasizes Jesus' right to rule as Creator

• Encouragement to pledge allegiance to Jesus, not earthly rulers

(1:19:40) Closing thoughts and resource recommendations

• Matt and Duncan share final reflections on Jesus as King

• Promotion of Expedition 44 podcast and Duncan's writings

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138. The Anatomy of the Statist: Unmasking the Mindset Behind Government Support with Patrick Carroll

Ever wondered why some people cling so tightly to the idea of government, even when faced with its glaring flaws? In this episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, we dive deep into the psychology of statism with Patrick Carroll, a brilliant thinker and writer who's been challenging the status quo for years.

Carroll's insights are like a splash of cold water to the face of conventional wisdom. He doesn't just critique government supporters – he dissects their motivations with surgical precision. And trust us, what he reveals will make you question everything you thought you knew about politics and society.

The Statist's Playbook: 10 Characteristics You Need to Know

Carroll breaks down the statist mindset into 10 distinct characteristics. It's like he's giving us a field guide to spot government supporters in the wild. But here's the kicker – it's not about judging them. It's about understanding why they think the way they do, so we can have more productive conversations and maybe, just maybe, change some minds.

1. The Humanitarian: The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions

You know that friend who's always talking about how we need more government programs to help the poor? That's the humanitarian statist. Their heart's in the right place, but their solution is all wrong.

Carroll nails it when he says:

"The humanitarian impulse is great. Obviously, I also care about helping people. But I think it's important when we're trying to address why someone is pro-government to wrestle with the fact that they have a really compelling reason in their mind."

Here's the thing – we all want to help people. But using government force to do it? That's like trying to perform surgery with a sledgehammer. It might get the job done, but at what cost?

2. The Egalitarian: When Equality Becomes Tyranny

Ever heard someone say, "It's not fair that some people have so much more than others"? That's the egalitarian statist talking. They see inequality as inherently unjust and think the government should level the playing field.

But as Carroll points out:

"Even if we agree that maybe there's some value in creating a certain amount of equality in society, is that something that we should be coercing?"

It's a tough pill to swallow, but sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. Forced equality often leads to less prosperity for everyone.

3. The Paternalist: Big Brother Knows Best

This one's a doozy. The paternalist statist thinks they know what's best for you better than you do. They're the ones pushing for laws to ban "dangerous" foods or regulate every aspect of your life "for your own good."

Carroll hits the nail on the head:

"It's this very kind of self-righteous attitude of 'I know best, or you know, the government, us and our experts know best and don't worry, we're just going to take care of you.'"

Newsflash: Adults don't need a nanny state. We're capable of making our own decisions, thank you very much.

4. The Special Interest Group Member: Looking Out for Number One

This statist is all about using government power to benefit their group. Whether it's farmers lobbying for subsidies or corporations pushing for regulations that crush their competition, it's all about gaming the system.

Carroll doesn't pull any punches:

"It’s like you're telling me that you're willing to forcibly coerce other people purely so that you can financially benefit. How is that different from a thief going up to a guy in the street and holding a gun and saying, give me your wallet?"

Ouch. But he's not wrong. Using government force to line your own pockets is theft with extra steps.

5. The Risk Mitigator: Safety at Any Cost

Gun control advocates often fall into this category. They're so focused on reducing risk that they're willing to sacrifice freedom in the process.

Carroll offers a brilliant reframe:

"We live in a dangerous world, and that sucks. And definitely, I believe in systems like insurance to mitigate risk. I think mitigating risk is important. But we shouldn't be coercing people into mitigating risks."

Safety is important, but at what point does the cure become worse than the disease?

6. The Utilitarian: The Greatest Good for the Greatest Number?

This statist believes in maximizing social welfare through government intervention. They talk about "market failures" and think the state can fix them.

Carroll's skepticism is spot-on:

"I really question whether we can do any objective kind of social welfare calculations... And so I'm very skeptical of this idea that we can measure social welfare, let alone have the government come in and optimize it."

Even if you could measure social welfare, does that justify using force to achieve it?

7. The Theocrat: Legislating Morality, Putting more “Christians” in Office

Some statists, especially in religious circles, believe it's their duty to use government power to enforce moral or religious values.

Carroll offers a powerful counterargument:

"Is it really Christian to force morality on people? I totally understand the drive, but I would encourage Christians to really study the Bible and look at this."

Forcing virtue at gunpoint isn't virtuous at all.

8. The Resigned Follower: It's Just the Way Things Are

This statist has given up. They might agree with libertarian principles in theory, but they think a voluntary society is impossible.

Carroll's response is inspiring:

"I don't share that pessimism... I think we just need to look at history to have faith in the market."

Just because something hasn't been done yet doesn't mean it's impossible.

9. The Megalomaniac: Power for Power's Sake

Some people just love having power over others. It's a sad reality, but these statists exist.

Carroll's advice is simple:

"I think we just need to gang up on those people and tell them no, like, sorry, you're not going to get your way and you're not going to use us as pawns."

No elaboration needed. Power-hungry individuals have no place in a free society.

10. The Intolerant: The Heart of Statism

This is the core of the statist mentality. All the other characteristics boil down to this:

"At the end of the day, the conclusion is, I am going to be intolerant of you living your life as you see fit. I'm going to force you to comply with my value system and my personal beliefs. And that is something that every statist shares by definition."

It's a harsh truth, but an important one. Statism, at its core, is about forcing others to live according to your values. It's not about left vs. right. It's about whether you're willing to use force to make others live the way you think they should.

What We Learned About the Statist Mindset

This episode is a wake-up call. It challenges us to examine our own beliefs about government and ask some tough questions:

• Are we truly tolerant if we support using force to make others live as we think they should?

• Can we achieve our goals of helping others and creating a better society without resorting to government coercion?

• Are we willing to apply the same moral standards to government actions that we apply to individuals?

The answers might make you uncomfortable. But that discomfort is the first step towards a more consistent and ethical worldview.

Ready to have your mind blown? Listen to the full episode and prepare to see the world in a whole new light. And remember – questioning the status quo isn't just rebellious. It's necessary for a free and just society.

🤝Connect with Patrick:

• Blog

• Facebook Page

• Twitter (X), 

• The Prudent Navigator (website/blog)

• Read Patrick’s Mises Institute Articles

• Read or Listen to The Anatomy of a Statist article

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Patrick Carroll returns to discuss "The Anatomy of the Statist"

• Exploration of the Statist mentality and its challenges

• Previous appearances on episodes 16 and 55

• Episode 16: If You Vote You Can’t Complain

• Episode 55: Is Taxation Slavery?

(0:58) Patrick's recent work and philosophical journey

• Managing editor at Foundation for Economic Education

• Focus on economics, policy, and libertarian philosophy

• Influence of thinkers like Nietzsche, Rothbard, and classical liberals

(4:17) Discussion on Patrick's writing style and approach

• Larken Rose on the Bad Roman

• Episode 83: The Cult of Statism 

• Episode 91: Breaking Down the Jones Plantation

• Episode 134: Immigration and Christian Values: Challenging the Border Fetish Brigade

• Emphasis on direct, matter-of-fact communication

• Importance of consistency in thinking and living out principles

(5:47) The appeal of libertarian philosophy

• Internal consistency and principled approach

• Rejection of exceptions to moral principles

(7:45) Breaking the framing of political conversations

• Libertarianism as a refreshing alternative to left-right dichotomy

• Questioning cultural assumptions about government

(10:37) The Anatomy of the Statist: 10 characteristics

• Humanitarian impulse and its relation to statism

• Egalitarian motivations for government intervention

(17:47) The utilitarian perspective on government

• Market failure arguments and social welfare calculations

• Skepticism towards government optimization of social welfare

(23:17) The theocrat and Christian involvement in politics

• Critique of using government to enforce Christian morality

• Biblical perspective on non-interference and servant leadership

(31:41) The risk mitigator and government regulation

• Gun control as an example of risk mitigation through legislation

• Alternative approaches to risk management without coercion

(53:57) The megalomaniac and power dynamics of government

• Addressing those who seek power for its own sake

• Importance of resisting authoritarian tendencies

(56:24) The heart of the statist: intolerance

• Common thread of compelling others to live by one's values

• Contrast with libertarian principles of live and let live

(59:52) Taxation as theft: beyond metaphor

• Clarifying the libertarian position on taxation

• Ethical implications of equating taxation with common theft

(1:03:43) Free market principles and conservative inconsistencies

• Critique of tariffs and government regulation

• Importance of genuine free market understanding

(1:05:31) Conclusion and resources

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