Evangelicalism

142. Stateless Psalms: Songs for Liberty with Ancap Tim

In a world where faith and politics are often tangled together, it’s rare to find conversations that cut through the noise and ask hard questions. That’s exactly what happened in this episode of The Bad Roman Podcast, where Craig sat down with musician and self-proclaimed Christian anarchist, Ancap Tim.

This episode wasn’t just about politics or protest music. It was about peeling back layers of cultural conditioning and asking one bold question: Are we following Christ, or are we just obeying the empire?

From Republican Loyalty to Radical Discipleship

Tim’s story might sound familiar at first. He grew up in a typical evangelical Christian home, voted Republican without question, and even had George W. Bush’s face on his 18th birthday cake. (Yes, really.)

But over time, cracks started to form. As he wrestled with what he believed and why, especially after encountering voices like Ron Paul and Tom Woods, Tim began to question not just politics, but the systems behind them. Eventually, those questions led him to a surprising place: Christian anarchism.

The Power Behind the Flag

One of the most powerful moments in the episode came when Tim broke down how the state claims moral authority:

“When a government is formed and authority is given to this magical force with their magic flag and magic song, they can go and kill people with immunity.”

If you’ve grown up pledging allegiance and voting every election cycle, this might feel uncomfortable. But discomfort isn’t always bad. Tim’s point is clear: the state claims powers that directly contradict Christ’s teachings. And far too often, Christians go along with it.

Challenging the God-and-Country Narrative

In many American churches, patriotism and faith are treated like one and the same. But as Tim pointed out, that pairing can quickly become idolatry:

“Let’s cheer on the war machine every time there’s a war. If you don’t support the military, then you’re not a real Christian almost. They won’t say that, but some would.”

It's worth asking: when churches wave the flag higher than the cross, what message are we sending?

A Return to Early Church Simplicity

At the heart of this conversation is a return to something older and simpler. Tim puts it this way:

“We don’t play with politics. We don’t vote. We don’t do any of that stuff. We just follow Jesus. We already have a king, the best king in the world.”

This isn't about disengaging from the world. It’s about living differently inside of it. Just like the early church, Christian anarchists seek to embody Christ’s kingdom, not prop up Caesar’s.

What Does Christian Anarchism Look Like in Practice?

If this sounds radical, it’s meant to. But it’s also deeply practical. Here are a few takeaways from the episode for anyone curious about living out this perspective:

  1. Question authority (even when it wears a cross or waves a flag).

  2. Reject violence in all forms, even when it’s sanctioned by the state.

  3. Invest in real community through direct action and mutual care.

  4. Keep your eyes on the Kingdom by placing Christ above any political allegiance.

Tim’s music, including his album The State’s Just a Mafia, puts these values into sound. From critique to hope, each track carries the same message: there’s a better way, and it starts with Christ alone.

Rethinking Citizenship, One Conversation at a Time

This episode reminded us that Christian anarchism isn’t about chaos or rebellion for rebellion’s sake. It’s about realignment. It's about refusing to confuse empire with righteousness, and choosing to live in a way that reflects Jesus—not just in belief, but in practice.

So here’s the challenge: take a moment and ask yourself what you’ve always believed about faith, politics, and power. Where did those beliefs come from? Who benefits when you hold onto them?

If you're willing to wrestle with those questions, you're in the right place.

🎧 Listen to the full episode to hear the full story, and check out Tim’s music under Ancap Tim on all major streaming platforms.

And remember: sometimes being a good Christian means being a bad Roman.

🤝Connect with Ancap Tim:

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Guest Introduction: Musician Ancap Tim

  • Tim's journey to Christian anarchism

  • Using music to express political and religious views

(2:06) Tim's Background and Journey

  • Raised in a typical evangelical Christian home

  • Initially, a die-hard Republican supporter

  • Shift in perspective after exposure to Ron Paul's ideas

(5:02) Evolution of Political Views

  • Transition from Republican to libertarian thinking

  • Disillusionment with the political system and voting

(7:50) Reconciling Christianity and Anarchism

  • Influence of Bad Roman Podcast and alternative interpretations of scripture

  • Challenging traditional evangelical views on government

(10:27) Conversation with a Baptist Pastor

  • Craig's encounter at a farmer's market

  • Introducing the concept of "no king but Christ" to traditional church leaders

(12:52) Tim's Musical Journey

  • Experience touring with Christian band Avery Road

  • Observations on church dynamics and financial struggles in music ministry

(15:15) Critique of Modern Christianity

  • Discussion on the corporate nature of some churches

  • Importance of genuine Christian community and love

(20:37) Universal Restoration and Doctrinal Differences

  • Tim's perspective as a "hopeful universalist"

  • Critique of doctrinal arguments within Christianity

(23:56) Tim's New Album: "The State's Just a Mafia"

  • Album structure and themes

  • Intentional placement of "No King But Christ" as the final track

(36:35) Album Cover Design

  • Description of the album artwork

  • Use of AI and human artists in the design process

(47:55) Tim's Music Style and Future Plans

  • Description of Tim's musical style as a mix of folk, country, and alt-rock

  • Potential plans for future albums

(49:34) Where to Find Tim's Music

  • Available on major streaming platforms

  • Physical copies (CDs and vinyl) available through Elastic Stage

(52:38) Conclusion and Support

  • Encouragement to subscribe, rate, and share the podcast

  • Information on donations to local charities in Memphis, Tennessee


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54. Waging Peace: Seeing God Before the Resurrection with Jason Porterfield

About this episode

Author and self-proclaimed ‘aspiring peacemaker,’ Jason Porterfield, returns to the show to walk Bad Roman co-hosts, Craig Harguess and Abby Cleckner, through his new book, Fight Like Jesus: How Jesus Waged Peace Throughout Holy Week.  

Come Spring we tend to look straight to Easter, to the miracle of the resurrection, but just how much do we miss when we forget the why and how of what led up to Christ’s crucifixion? By taking an in-depth look at each day in the final week of Jesus’ life, Jason’s book is a guide and game-changer for any Christian who still thinks Jesus died to protect us from a wrathful God. 

God is love! He is not a hammer or sword-wielding warrior, but a force of mercy, humility, and reckoning. How often do we forget this today? How often do we use the bible to justify violent means to imagined peaceful ends? 

“Jesus used a whip in the temple”

“Jesus told them to take swords”

“Jesus said render unto Caesar”

How many of our enemies must we fight or destroy to create peace? How many verses must we take out of context to justify our sin? Peter was scolded for his violence and we remain under the same command to disarm. 

To build the Kingdom of Heaven on earth, to try to love one another and our enemies in the way Christ set forth is a radical position to take both in Jesus’s time and now. Holy Week is crucial to understanding how God’s love works. It is through those days we see and experience Jesus’s message and example in action. 

This episode is a challenge to you to look at yourself, your actions, and if they reflect what you think you believe. It can be easy to think we are on the right side of the resurrection, that we, of course, are on the side of Jesus, but it is just as easy to fail to see we are the ones plotting against the way of peacemaking, that we are the ones holding the hammer over our savior on the cross. We invite you to listen with an open mind, to humble yourself to the folly we all are susceptible to fall into in the midst of miracles. 


If you want to learn more about Jason’s work and message you can connect with him on his website, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

Episode Timestamps:

2:15 Episode #14 Fight Like a Christian with Keith Giles and Jason 

3:20 Motivation for writing Fight Like Jesus: How Jesus Waged Peace Throughout Holy Week  

  • Failing as a peacemaker

  • How do you Love your enemy and neighbor when your enemy is oppressing your neighbor

  • Holy week is when we see Jesus enacting all he has said as an active peacemaker

8:08 Why was Jesus shedding tears?

14:16 Christians waging/supporting war vs. living out teachings of Jesus

19:30 Monday - Jesus Cleansing the Temple

  • Ched Myers

    • Jesus returns with planned, calculated action, not rash “temple fit”

  • John’s mention of whip used to justify violence by Christians

  • Did Jesus whip people?

    • No, it was more of shooing animal whip - not an instrument of torture

  • Catholic Theologian Raymond Brown

    • Whip material was likely animal bedding materials

  • John 2:15 

    • Greek translation reveals ‘tu’ modifies all to be sheep and cattle, i.e. John is clarifying who he is using the whip on

  • Jesus was not passive in the face of injustice, he was an active pacifist

    • Jesus’s zeal does not destroy, it opens up more for everyone 

    • After the cleansing those who were excluded were invited in

31:32 Tuesday (part 1) - Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and God what is God’s

  • Mark 12

  • Jesus uses the word “repay” vs. “pay”

    • He switches the verb of the question, which requires you to answer the question of what belongs to God and what belongs to Cesar? 

  • Did Jesus’s supporters hear (misinterpret) something else in “pay back” what is owed?

  • Jesus leaves people with more questions than answers - makes you think

36:51 Tuesday (part 2) - The 7 Woes

  • Speaking truth to power or using authority/power to bash and crush others?

  • Easier to see ourselves on the side or Jesus vs. Pharisees

 38:18 Wednesday - Eye of the Hurricane, Quiet Day with  'Backroom Deals’ 

 45:10 Thursday (Part 1) - The New Command

  • Love each other as I have loved you

    • New standard of love he set in how to love

  • What is true evangelism?

    • Living and being the community of God so others can experience it

    • Make others curious about your life by how much you love God 

  • 1 Peter 2 

  • Faciniation precedes explanation

51:30 Thursday (Part 2) - The Two Swords (Gun Culture)

  • Jesus healed the roman soldier harmed by Peter

  • Not “time is not right” but “time is never right” attitude to violence

  • Two swords allow them to appear as a violence mob, but then reject that violence as an example

  • Disciples fled when Jesus revoked Peter’s violence  

    • They were ready to fight for a new king

59:10 Friday - Understating the Crucifiction 

  • Did Jesus die to save us from God?

  • Fear of God vs. Love of Christ

  • Comparison and choice of Jesus (Peaceful nonviolent) or Barabbas (the violent insurrectionist Messiah)

    • They chose person who would fight and crucified Jesus

  • Peacemakers cultivate the future Jesus promised

    • Do the work, stop waiting for Jesus to come back and solve all of the problems

  • We are passive in our violence

1:09:00 The Resurrection

  • Eschatology

    • Understanding of how things end

  • Sunday’s Resurrection - symbolized the end we seek is starting to be lived out

  • Early church decided to live out the future now

    • Model the way of Jesus

  • Dave Andrews

    • “On our best days we’ll approximate the kingdom of God on earth and on our worst days we’ll  parody and mimic kingdom of God”


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45. Radically Following Jesus with Shane Claiborne

In this episode, Shane Claiborne joins us to talk about living like Jesus, abortion, gun violence, Christian nationalism, and whether we should get involved in politics as a way to help others live in freedom. 

We know the teachings of Jesus, but what does it look like to actually follow them? How can we care for other humans as God instructed, and how can we do that when we live amidst a corrupt and often unjust government? As Shane points out, “If anybody should be suspicious of state power, it should be Christians who worship an executed and risen savior.” Our Lord was killed by the government. We should not trust in our rulers, but in Him, but, as Shane would argue, we can use their system to help people by getting bad policies changed.

Who is Shane Claiborne? He is a radical advocate for living as if Jesus really meant what He said. He heads up an intentional, simple-living Christian community called Red Letter Christians, and is the co-founder of The Simple Way, an intentional neighborhood-based Christian community in North Philadelphia. Shane has been to jail multiple times while advocating for the poor and against war. You can connect with him on his personal website, Twitter, email, and Instagram

Timestamps:

1:26 What following Jesus looks like

  • “Man, I was pretty together, met Jesus, and He messed me up.” -Shane

    • Teachings like

      • To be great, become the least

      • Love your enemies

      • Sell possessions and give to the poor

    • Started a community for local homeless people who were being evicted from a church. They

      • Fix up abandoned houses

      • Create gardens

      • Paint murals

      • Care for neighbors’ needs 

7:24 Pro-life or just anti-abortion?

  • “We shouldn't be in other countries dropping bombs on people” -Craig

  • One-issue voting is inconsistent

  • Christians are the obstacle to progress

9:45 A Bible in one hand; a newspaper in the other

  •  Know what's going on in the world around you

  • “When you look at Jesus, He was talking about the Kingdom of God coming on Earth, as it is in Heaven. Not just something we go up to when we die, but something we bring down while we're alive.” - Shane

  • Study the Bible and sociology together

11:41 Christian Nationalism

  • Trump didn’t change the church; he revealed their true beliefs 

  • “A lot of white Christians have been shaped more by whiteness than by Christ.” -Shane

  • People use the Gospel to justify all kinds of atrocities

  • Reconstructing the Gospel: Finding Freedom from Slaveholder Religion by Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove

  • Compare Trump and his policies to The Sermon on the Mount

  • Christians betrayed Jesus with a kiss for a couple seats on the Supreme Court

  • Welcome the stranger -- not because you're Republican or Democrat, but because you follow Jesus, and that is His example

  • “A lot of times it's been more Fox news or a political party that's shaping our imagination than the Gospel” -Shane

  • Christians wind up saying ugly things like that they want to go to the border and shoot people when they follow Trump instead of Christ

19:15 Nothing new

  • People fear the transfer of power from white people

    • They want to take America back; to make it great again

      • To counteract any progress Black Lives Matter made

  • Fear and love cannot occupy the same space 

    • “What would America look like if love rather than fear were compelling our policies and shaping our minds on a lot of these things?” -Shane

22:45 Debate: Do we need to get involved in politics to love our neighbor?

  • Shane: Laws can either improve or destroy people's lives

    •  We need to work to get harmful laws changed for the good of our neighbor

  • Craig: Politics are not our thing; we're of a different Kingdom

    •  Jesus didn't use politics to advance His agenda

  • Shane: Opting out has consequences

    • We're not putting our hope in a politician; we’re voting to change policies that make life harder for our friends

    • Vote on behalf of those Jesus blessed

      • The poor, the mourning, the refugees, the incarcerated... 

    • Don't only help them through the ballot. Work every day for their freedom.

    • Fight for laws that make it harder to kill them

  • Craig: Ballots don't do that. Voting doesn't change anything and doesn't help anyone.

  • Shane: We should use every weapon we have; harness the principalities 

  • Craig: Christians live on the fringes of society and shouldn't be involved in the system at all

  • Shane: Moving to a community with black folks changed my perspective

    • Dr. King went to jail for political change 

    • “I do believe that the church is a primary instrument for God transforming the world.”

    • God can redeem the system using us

    • Legislation helps people flourish

      • We use it to keep people safe in cars; need for guns too

      • Jesus judges nations on how they cared for the poor

31:14 The early Church’s politics

  • They were called atheists because they denied the deity of Rome

  • They disrupted the empire by claiming another Emperor

  • But Jesus didn’t kill anyone to overthrow the empire

    • He died.

    • And many details leading to His death can be seen as a parody to Caesar’s rule

  • “If anybody should be suspicious of state power, it should be Christians who worship an executed and risen Savior.” - Shane

  • Irreconcilable vocations

    • Brothel, executioner, anyone who had to kill for the state

      • Jesus said love your enemies, which means not killing them

  • They were consistently against all violence

    • Abortion, execution, gladiators…

36:09 Living like Christians

  • People use the Bible to justify terrible things

  • We cannot live like a Christian and go against the teachings of Christ

  • Gandhi wished we would. He liked Jesus, but was not a fan of the church

  • We should view the entire Bible’s contents through the lens of Jesus 

39:13 Guns into Gardens Project; Beating Guns book

  • Old Testament prophets speak of turning swords into plows

    • Similarly, turning guns into garden tools

      • And crosses

        • One says I want to kill; the other says I’m willing to die

      • And jewelry for victims of gun violence to wear and sell

    • People say it's not a gun problem; it's a heart problem

      • It's both

      • God transforms the heart; people transform the laws

    • Jesus should inspire us to protect life

42:04 The American Revolution

  •   Claimed to be following God

    •  If they were, they never would have gone to war 

    • America began with guns. It's impossible to imagine our country without them

      • How else could they have started a country on stolen land with stolen labor?

42:56 Red-letter Christian Intentional Community

  • A glimpse of Heaven on Earth

  • Sharing everything in common end taking care of each other

  • Reducing gun violence through:  

    • Hospitality

    • Drug addiction recovery

    • Lifting people out of the ditch

      • Figure out what's landing them in the ditch in the first place

        • It’s often government laws and policies

          • So we vote and advocate for change

  • It'll probably land you in jail 

    • Charged with a felony for leaving water in the desert for immigrants 

    • Obey the good laws; disobey the bad ones

      • Expose how crazy they are by loudly getting in trouble 

      • A rich tradition of civil disobedience 

      • Be willing to suffer the consequences of exposing injustice

  • Issues around the world

  • We spend more on the military than social uplift and are headed for spiritual death 

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