Pledges

170. Allegiance to Jesus: Why Tyler Boyd Stopped Saying the Pledge of Allegiance

For years, Tyler Boyd said the Pledge of Allegiance like most people around him. Then one word started bothering him: Indivisible.

So he did something small. He kept saying the pledge, but when everyone reached that word, Tyler stayed quiet. That tiny silence eventually opened a much bigger question.

If Christians already confess Jesus as King, what exactly are we promising when we pledge allegiance to a nation?

Tyler, a writer at The Christian Exile, joins Craig to talk through the argument behind his article The Case Against Christians Saying the Pledge of Allegiance. It is not a conversation about hating America, disrespecting veterans, or creating a new purity test for Christians.

It is about taking a familiar sentence seriously.

The Word He Stopped Saying

Tyler did not grow up suspicious of patriotism.

He describes his younger self as a “principled Republican.” Christianity came first, but conservative politics still made sense to him. Ron Paul helped him question some of the positions he had inherited, and two books sitting on his father’s shelf pushed the questions further.

One was David Lipscomb’s On Civil Government. The other argued from a much more nationalist direction. Tyler read them side by side.

Then he started looking differently at the pledge.

At first, “indivisible” was the problem.

“I would just be quiet when it got to that word indivisible.” — Tyler Boyd, around 09:02

What if a country stops protecting the very liberty and justice named in the pledge? Is a Christian really prepared to promise that the nation must remain indivisible no matter what it becomes?

Eventually Tyler’s discomfort moved beyond a single word. Maybe the problem was not which parts of the pledge he could say. Maybe the question was why a Christian was pledging national allegiance at all.

“I Pledge” Is a Bigger Sentence Than It Sounds

The pledge begins with two words most of us can say without thinking: I pledge.

Tyler wants Christians to slow down there.

A pledge is a promise. An oath. A declaration of loyalty.

Jesus’ words about oaths in Matthew 5 have been interpreted in different ways by Christians, and Tyler does not pretend that debate is settled. His narrower point is easier: if Christians are going to make a pledge, it should not be automatic. We should mean what we say.

Craig knows how uncomfortable that can become in public. He remembers deciding not to participate during the patriotic ceremony at a Memphis Grizzlies game. Sitting while nearly everyone else stood brought the pressure of the crowd into focus quickly. Tyler has felt a similar tension at Chamber of Commerce events.

Tyler still stands and removes his hat as an act of respect. He simply stops before putting his hand over his heart or reciting the pledge. That distinction matters to him. Refusing allegiance does not require contempt.

Can You Respect a Government Without Giving It Your Allegiance?

Romans 13 enters the conversation, as it tends to do whenever Christians start talking about government.

Tyler points to Paul’s language about taxes, respect, and honor. Craig wonders how that passage should be read alongside everything else Christians are told about earthly power. Tyler argues that Christians should be able to disagree with rulers, political parties, and governments without becoming cruel toward the people involved. That leaves an uncomfortable middle ground.

How do you show respect without endorsing everything a government does? How do you obey where obedience is appropriate without turning obedience into loyalty? How do you refuse a pledge without turning the refusal itself into another badge of superiority?

Those questions may be harder than simply choosing whether to stand or sit.

What If “Faith” Includes Allegiance?

That distinction between respect, obedience, and loyalty leads the conversation into a deeper question: What does Christian faith itself ask of us?

Craig and Tyler turn to the Greek word pistis, often translated as “faith.” Tyler argues that modern Christians sometimes hear “faith” mainly as believing that something is true. But biblical faith, he says, carries a stronger sense of faithfulness, loyalty, and lived commitment.

His simple example is marriage. 

Being faithful to your spouse does not mean believing your spouse exists. It means loyalty. Tyler points listeners toward Matthew Bates’ Salvation by Allegiance Alone, which explores this understanding of pistis in much greater depth.

When “allegiance” is simply a form of loyalty aimed at a ruler, nation, government, or cause, the pledge question gets harder. If faith in Jesus includes loyalty to Jesus, what does it mean to stand and formally pledge loyalty somewhere else?

“There Is Another King, Jesus”

There is some language Christians use so often they have lost the political edge of their history.

Jesus is Lord.

Jesus Christ.

King Jesus.

Tyler points to Acts 17, where Christians are accused of announcing “another king, Jesus.”

His argument is that the accusation was not entirely a misunderstanding. Christians were not trying to build another Roman-style government or organize an armed revolt, but they really were proclaiming another ruler: Jesus.

That is the heart of Bad Roman’s familiar line, No King but Christ. It does not mean Christians stop living among governments. But rather it raises the question of who gets the final claim on our loyalty.

“There is another king, and his name is Jesus.” — Tyler Boyd, around 30:26

Not Every Loyalty Is the Same

As Tyler makes clear, Christians clearly have loyalties besides their loyalty to God. A husband can be faithful to his wife. A worker can be loyal to an employer. Tyler can remain very faithful to Tennessee football and Craig to Dallas football (win or lose). None of those loyalties automatically compete with Christ. In fact, faithfulness to other people can sometimes become an expression of faithfulness to God.

But Tyler argues that some loyalties are different. If he introduced his wife to a girlfriend and explained that everything was fine because his wife still ranked first, nobody would call that a properly ordered marriage. Some commitments are exclusive. Some commitments require sacrificing their alternatives. That leads Tyler to the real question beneath the pledge:

“Allegiance to one’s country, which category does that fit in?” — Tyler Boyd, around 35:54

Is national allegiance like loving your spouse, neighbor, or employer, a secondary loyalty that can sit beneath Christ? Or does an earthly kingdom make a competing claim to rule?

Tyler later expanded this distinction in Why Christians Keep Talking Past Each Other About Patriotism, because people on both sides often agree that Jesus comes first while disagreeing completely about what that means for patriotism.

The Lamb, the Beast, and Competing Kingdoms

Tyler’s answer to the allegiance problem comes from the way he reads earthly kingdoms across Scripture. He moves from Israel’s relationship with surrounding nations to Jesus’ temptation in the wilderness, Paul’s language about rulers and authorities, and the beasts of Revelation.

Craig and Tyler do not pretend every passage is simple. They also do not think Romans 13 should be allowed to stand alone as though the rest of Scripture has nothing to say about power. For Tyler, Revelation is especially important because Christians are not told to reform Babylon by becoming more loyal to it. They are told to come out.

Whether you agree with Tyler’s reading or not, his larger challenge is worth hearing clearly:

When Christians say Jesus is Lord, is that merely a statement about personal spirituality, or is it a claim about who actually rules?

Polycarp Had an Easy Way Out

The conversation becomes less theoretical when Craig and Tyler turn to the early Christian martyrs.

Tyler is careful here. He does not treat early Christian writers as Scripture. They could be wrong. But they lived much closer to the world of the apostles, and their choices show how some of the earliest Christians understood loyalty to Christ.

Polycarp is the clearest example. According to The Martyrdom of Polycarp, Roman officials offered him a way out: swear by Caesar.

He refused.

The account also says that when the men came to arrest him, Polycarp had food brought out for them before they carried him away. That detail may be just as challenging as the refusal itself. Polycarp would not give Caesar what he believed belonged to Christ. He also fed the people taking him to his death. No violent revolution. No hatred of his captors. No oath.

Craig and Tyler also discuss Speratus and the Acts of the Scillitan Martyrs, another early account involving Christians refusing loyalty to Caesar. Tyler acknowledges that ancient Roman loyalty rituals are not a perfect one-to-one comparison with an American pledge before a basketball game.

The circumstances are different, but the question they raise remains difficult: What did these Christians believe they could give Caesar, and what did they believe belonged only to Christ?

Staying in the Church When You Disagree

Tyler brings the conversation back into ordinary church life. Finding a congregation without nationalism, patriotic worship, or political disagreement can be hard (as Craig knows). But, Tyler’s response is not: leave everybody who disagrees with you. Quite the opposite.

He talks about worshiping that very morning with people who may not share all of his conclusions. He even thanked the song leader for keeping the service centered on Christ rather than turning the Sunday after the Fourth of July into a patriotic service. Then they kept talking. Tyler believes churches need Christians willing to stay in relationship, study Scripture, disagree honestly, and encourage one another. 

That might be one of the most useful ways to carry this episode forward. Not by turning the pledge into another test of who counts as a real Christian. Not by beating somebody over the head with a new conclusion. Ask the question. Study together. Listen together. Read the sources together. Be together in Christ on a team for a political party. Then decide whether the words you say match the King you claim to follow.

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Highlights & Takeaways

  • Saying a pledge by habit is different from examining what the words actually promise

  • Tyler’s first break with the pledge began with one word: “indivisible”

  • Respect for governing authorities and allegiance to them are not necessarily the same thing

  • The biblical idea of pistis raises questions about faith as loyalty, faithfulness, and allegiance (not mere belief)

  • “Jesus is Lord” was more than a private religious phrase in the Roman world

  • Not every secondary loyalty competes with Christ; the central debate is whether national allegiance does

  • Early Christian martyrs provide historical examples of believers honoring rulers while refusing oaths to Caesar

  • Disagreement over patriotism does not have to become another reason for Christians to abandon community or each other

Listen

Notice the moments when Tyler’s argument moves from abstract theology into ordinary life: staying silent on one word of the pledge, standing respectfully without reciting it, comparing national loyalty to marriage, and worshiping beside Christians who disagree with him.

Reflect

When you say you are loyal to Jesus, what do you mean by “loyal”?

Are there promises, rituals, political habits, or cultural traditions you participate in mostly because you have never stopped to examine the words?

Read

Read Matthew 5:33–37, Romans 1:1–5, Acts 17:6–7, Romans 13:1–8, Revelation 18:1–4, and 1 Peter 3:21.

Then read Tyler’s original article and compare his argument with the passages yourself.

Practice

The next time you encounter the Pledge of Allegiance, do not begin by deciding what everybody else should do. Read the words slowly. Write down what you understand “pledge” and “allegiance” to mean. Then ask whether you can say each line truthfully and faithfully before Christ.

Resources Mentioned

Episode Timestamps:

(00:00) Allegiance to Jesus and the Pledge

  • Tyler Boyd’s article

  • early Christian questions

  • loyalty to Christ and the state

(06:24) “I Pledge” and the Word “Indivisible”

  • pledges as promises and oaths

  • Matthew 5

  • Tyler’s first hesitation

(11:44) Public Pressure, Respect & Romans 13

  • Grizzlies game and social pressure

  • standing without pledging

  • honor, respect, and love

(18:52) What Does Biblical Faith Mean?

  • pistis

  • faith versus simple belief

  • Salvation by Allegiance Alone

(25:30) Jesus Is Lord — and Caesar Is Not

  • Romans 1

  • Lord as a ruler’s title

  • “another king, Jesus”

(31:04) Can Christians Have Dual Allegiance?

  • ordered loyalties

  • marriage and faithfulness

  • Tennessee football

(36:30) Which Kind of Allegiance Is Patriotism?

  • earthly kingdoms as rival authorities

  • temptation of Jesus

  • Revelation and Babylon

(43:44) What the Early Christians Did

  • church before Constantine

  • political power and military service

  • enemy-love

(49:02) Polycarp, Caesar & the Cost of Refusal

  • “swear by Caesar”

  • King and Savior

  • Scillitan martyrs

(53:24) A Different Kingdom

  • loyalty already declared

  • baptism as pledge

  • invitation rather than coercion

(56:32) Church, Patriotism & Staying in Community

  • finding a congregation

  • Fourth of July worship

  • disagreement without abandonment

  • farmer’s market conversations

Everything beyond production costs supports local charities in Memphis, Tennessee.

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In a world where political divisions run deep and national identity often overshadows faith, how can Christians navigate the complex relationship between church and state? This episode of the Bad Roman Podcast featuring author of Fight Like Jesus: How Jesus Waged Peace Throughout Holy Week, Jason Porterfield, explores the complex relationship between Christianity and the state. 

As Christians, we know we're called to follow Jesus. Yet, many of us find ourselves caught in a web of conflicting loyalties. We pledge allegiance to flags, sing patriotic anthems, and even display national symbols in our places of worship. But is this what Jesus intended for His followers?

Jason challenges us to reconsider our assumptions about Christian citizenship and allegiance. His insights offer a fresh perspective on what it means to be a follower of Christ in a world that falsely demands our loyalty to earthly powers.

The Kingdom of God: More Than Just a Spiritual Concept

When Jesus spoke of the Kingdom of God, He wasn't merely describing a spiritual realm. He was making a bold, politically charged statement that challenged the very foundations of earthly power structures. Yet, many Christians today shy away from this revolutionary concept, preferring instead to speak of the "family of God" or other less confrontational terms.

Why do we do this? Perhaps it's because we've become too comfortable with the idea of dual citizenship – claiming allegiance to both God and country. But as Jason points out, this divided loyalty often leads to a watered-down faith where Jesus becomes Lord of less and less, while Caesar (or the state) claims lordship over everything else.

Consider this: What if we took Jesus' words about the Kingdom of God as seriously as the early Christians did? How might it change our relationship with the state and our understanding of our role in society?

Allegiance vs. Faith: Reclaiming the Power of Pistis

One of the most striking insights from this episode is the discussion around the Greek word "pistis." Often translated simply as "faith," this word carries a much deeper meaning of allegiance or loyalty. When the New Testament writers speak of giving one's pistis to Jesus, they're not just talking about believing in Him – they're calling for a complete transfer of allegiance from earthly powers to Christ.

This understanding challenges the modern Christian tendency to reduce faith to a personal, spiritual matter divorced from political and social realities. It calls us to reconsider what it truly means to declare Jesus as Lord and King.

Ask yourself: Have I reduced my faith in Jesus to mere belief, or am I willing to give Him my complete allegiance, even when it conflicts with the demands of the state?

Flags in the Sanctuary: A Symbol of Divided Loyalties

The presence of national flags in church sanctuaries is a relatively recent phenomenon, yet it's become so commonplace that many Christians don't think twice about it. However, as Jason reminds us, the early church would have found this practice deeply troubling.

Tertullian, an early Christian writer, declared that "the divine banner and the human banner do not go together, nor the standard of Christ and the standard of the devil." These words may sound harsh to modern ears, but they reflect a deep understanding of the exclusive nature of our allegiance to Christ.

Consider this: What message are we sending when we display national symbols alongside Christian ones in our places of worship? Are we inadvertently suggesting that our loyalty is divided between God and country?

Practical Implications: Living as Citizens of Heaven

So how do we live out this radical allegiance to Christ in practical terms? Jason offers several thought-provoking suggestions:

  1. Rethink your language: Instead of speaking of Jesus as your personal Savior, try referring to Him as your Lord and King.

  2. Reconsider your participation in national rituals: Jason shares how he stands silently during the Pledge of Allegiance, reciting the Lord's Prayer instead.

  3. Engage in your community, but with a different perspective: Work for the welfare of your city or country, but do so as an ambassador of Christ's kingdom, not as a citizen of an earthly nation.

  4. Be prepared for pushback: Standing firm in your allegiance to Christ may cost you relationships or opportunities, but remember that your citizenship is in heaven.

What We Learned About True Allegiance

This episode challenges us to examine our assumptions about faith, citizenship, and allegiance. It reminds us that following Jesus is not just about personal salvation – it's about pledging our loyalty to a different kingdom altogether.

As we navigate the complex landscape of modern politics and national identity, let's remember that our primary citizenship is in heaven. Our allegiance is to Christ alone, and from that foundation, we can engage with our earthly communities in ways that reflect His love, justice, and peace.

Are you ready to reclaim the revolutionary nature of your faith? Listen to the full episode for more insights on living as citizens of God's kingdom in a world that demands our allegiance. And don't forget to check out Jason Porterfield's book "Fight Like Jesus" for a deeper exploration of how Jesus modeled peacemaking and confronted injustice during Holy Week.

Let's commit to being "bad Romans" – Christians who are willing to challenge the status quo and live out our allegiance to Christ, no matter the cost.

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Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Episode Overview

  • Discussion on phrases used to define the kingdom of God

  • Examination of national flags in churches

  • Guest Jason Porterfield returns to the show

(0:56) Jason Porterfield Returns to the Show

  • Jason Porterfield on Past Bad Roman Episodes

    • Waging Peace: Seeing God Before the Resurrection with Jason Porterfield, Episode 54

    • Keith Giles & Jason Porterfield - Fight Like a Christian, Episode 14

  • Updates on Jason's family and work

  • Impact of recent political policies on Jason's life and ministry

(2:47) Current Political Climate

  • Craig and Jason discuss the challenges of Christian engagement with politics

  • Concerns about Christians celebrating divisive political actions

(4:26) Motivations Behind Jason's Recent Post

  • Jason shares the context of a church service that inspired his post

  • Reflection on J.D. Vance's comments about Christian priorities

(9:24) Church Diversity and Political Tensions

  • Discussion on political diversity within Jason's church (Quaker Friends Church)

  • Challenges of maintaining Christian unity amid political differences

(12:27) Analyzing Jason's Four-Point Post

  • Point 1: Jesus spoke of the kingdom of God, but that's too political

  • Exploration of reducing the meaning of Jesus' teachings

(18:03) The Power of Language in Christian Identity

  • Importance of recognizing Jesus as King

  • Implications of using "Christ" vs. "King" in reference to Jesus

(24:24) Early Church Perspectives on Allegiance

  • Historical examples of early Christians prioritizing allegiance to Christ

  • Tertullian's statements on allegiance to God vs. Caesar

(28:22) Jesus' Teachings on Taxes and Allegiance

  • Justin Martyr

  • Analysis of Jesus' response to paying taxes to Caesar

  • Early church interpretations of Jesus' teachings on allegiance

(35:33) The Bruderhof Community's Resistance to Nazism

  • Example of Christians maintaining allegiance to Christ during political pressure

  • Bonhoeffer's influence on the Bruderhof's stance

(46:21) Flags in Churches and Pledges of Allegiance

  • Jason's personal approach to pledges of Allegiance

  • Discussion on the presence of national flags in church sanctuaries

(54:56) Jason's Resource: 100 Early Christian Quotes on Not Killing

  • Origin and purpose of Jason's compilation of early Christian quotes

  • Importance of understanding early church perspectives on violence

(57:51) Jason's Book: Fight Like Jesus

  • Overview of the book's focus on Jesus' actions during Holy Week

  • Encouragement to read the book during the Lenten season

(59:48) Conclusion and Additional Resources

  • Invitation to explore Jason's website for more resources

  • Importance of Christians considering their relationship to the state


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