141. What Gardening Taught Us About Freedom, Faith, and Community with Corey Ellerbe

What if growing a tomato could change your life?

Okay, maybe that sounds dramatic. But as we learned in our latest episode of The Bad Roman Podcast, planting that first seed might be the beginning of something much deeper, something that touches your spirit, strengthens your community, and helps you step away from systems that don’t serve you.

We sat down with Corey Ellerbe to talk about his gardening journey, how it started, what it’s become, and why it might just be one of the most quietly revolutionary things you can do right now.

From Tomatoes to Food Forests: How It All Started

“I started with just a few tomatoes,” Corey says, “and now I’m dreaming of food forests and agroforestry systems.”

That’s the thing with gardening, it often starts small. A pot of basil on the windowsill. A raised bed in the backyard. Then one day, you’re talking about companion planting, composting, and building systems that can sustain generations.

But Corey’s story is bigger than just a growing love for plants. Like many of us, 2020 shook something loose. The fragility of supply chains, the limits of store shelves, the creeping feeling that we might be more dependent than we want to admit. That was a wake-up call. And gardening became a way to take back a bit of control—and to reconnect with something real.

Why Gardening Matters Right Now

We’re more disconnected from our food than ever. Most of us don’t know where our groceries came from, how they were grown, or what systems were involved in getting them to us. Gardening changes that. It brings you back to your roots—literally and spiritually.

But it also opens up bigger questions:

• What would it look like to produce food locally again?

• How can we depend less on centralized systems that often fail us?

• Can growing food be a form of peaceful resistance?

Corey says yes. And we think he’s onto something.

Key Takeaways from the Conversation

🌱 Start Small—But Start

Corey’s advice for beginners? Don’t try to do everything at once.

“Even if it’s just herbs in a pot,” he says, “that’s a start. And every expert gardener started as a beginner.”

You don’t need land or a greenhouse to begin. Just start with what you’ve got and build from there.

🌾 Gardening as a Quiet Revolution

Gardening doesn’t seem political. But it can be. Choosing to grow your own food instead of buying into industrial ag systems is a step toward independence.

“It’s about rendering the state obsolete through market action,” Corey explains, tying the philosophy back to agorism and voluntaryism. You're not just growing food. You're reclaiming your autonomy.

🤝 Grow Food, Grow Community

One of the most beautiful parts of gardening? It brings people together. Whether you’re trading tomatoes at a local farmers’ market, swapping seeds with neighbors, or helping someone start their first raised bed (these actions build bonds).

“We’re not meant to be totally self-sufficient,” Corey reminds us. “We’re created for community.”

It’s a reminder that self-sufficiency doesn’t have to mean isolation. In fact, the most resilient communities are the ones that grow together.

✝️ Gardening as Worship

For Corey, gardening is also a spiritual practice.

“Watching how everything works together, the soil, the pollinators, the weather, it’s incredible,” he says. “It shows the beauty of God’s design.”

Tending a garden becomes an act of stewardship. It’s a way of caring for creation and slowing down enough to notice the small miracles around us.

Practical Tips for Getting Started

Whether you’re in a city apartment or have a few acres, here’s what Corey suggests:

• Know your zone. It’s not everything, but understanding your climate will help you pick plants that thrive where you are.

• Work with nature. Instead of spraying chemicals, learn about beneficial insects and natural pest control.

• Try stuff. Some things will die. Some will surprise you. Gardening is one big experiment.

• Talk to local gardeners. Your neighbors (and local nurseries) often have the best advice for your area.

Final Thoughts: What Will You Plant?

This conversation reminded us that gardening isn’t just about food. It’s about slowing down, looking around, and choosing to live differently. It’s about getting your hands dirty, yes, but also getting your soul fed.

So whether you’re dreaming of chickens and food forests, or just wondering if you could keep a basil plant alive, this episode is for you.

Here’s how to keep growing:

• 🎧 Listen to the full episode with Corey Ellerbe.

• 📺 Check out Corey’s YouTube channel, Old 37 Homestead, for how-tos and inspiration.

• 🌱 Plant one thing. Just one. And see what grows from there.

Every garden starts with a seed. What will you plant today?

🤝Connect with Corey:

• Old 37 Homestead: Corey Ellerbe's YouTube channel

Episode Timestamps:

(0:44) Gardening and Agrism Discussion

• Importance of self-sufficiency and reduced reliance on the state

• Introduction of guest Corey Ellerbe and his YouTube channel Old 37 Homestead

(1:01) Background on Corey's Gardening Experience

• Living in Central Florida

• Initial interest in gardening as a teenager

• Starting gardening after marriage on an acre of land

(3:38) Craig's Gardening Journey

• Recent start in gardening with pepper plants

• Challenges with bugs and plant care

(6:46) Gardening Advice from Corey

• Working with nature rather than against it

• Importance of natural predators in pest control

• Regional gardening considerations

(13:39) Corey's Gardening Philosophy

• Focus on agroforestry and food forests

• Adapting to Florida's unique climate and soil conditions

(25:04) Gardening as a Way to Subvert the State

• Discussion on self-sufficiency and community building

• Comparison to historical examples like the fall of the USSR

(45:35) Gardening and Relationship with Christ

• Corey's perspective on God's design in nature

• Observations on synergy in natural systems

(54:55) Old 37 Homestead YouTube Channel

• Overview of Corey's approach to content creation

• Focus on real-life gardening experiences and challenges

(1:06:27) Advice for New Gardeners

• Starting small and not overwhelming yourself

• Importance of regional-specific gardening knowledge

(1:15:07) Gardening Zones and Regional Considerations

• Explanation of gardening zones and their significance

• Adapting plants to different climates

(1:19:39) Closing Thoughts

• Encouragement for listeners to explore gardening

• Importance of community and self-sufficiency

Episode Resources:

1. David the Good: Gardening author and blogger specializing in Southeast/Florida gardening

2. freedomcells.org: Website for connecting with like-minded individuals for community building

3. Stefan Verstappen: Survivalism and prepping expert

4. Curtis Stone: Agorist anarchist gardener from West Canada

5. Sal the Agorist (Sal Mayweather): Advocate for using markets to subvert the state

6. USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map: Tool for determining gardening zones based on zip code

7. Farmer's markets: Suggested as a great place to learn about regional gardening and find local produce

8. Vermicomposting: Method of using worms for composting

9. Agroforestry and food forest systems: Gardening approaches mentioned by Corey

10. Pigeon pea: Plant example given for perennial food production

11. Hatsune Miku: Mentioned as an example of a virtual pop star (tangential to main discussion)

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131. Military Service and God’s Will: A Veteran’s Journey with Steve O'Connor

About this Episode

In this eye-opening episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, host Craig Harguess sits down with Steve O'Connor, a former Marine who shares his powerful journey from military service to embracing a Christ-centered life. Steve's story challenges conventional wisdom about patriotism, military service, and what it truly means to follow Jesus.

The Allure of Military Service

Steve's path to the military was paved with family tradition and societal expectations. Growing up in a family with deep military roots, he was captivated by the idea of serving his country from a young age. The events of 9/11 further solidified his resolve to join the armed forces.

"I wasn't a great student and so they, they always say, oh well, you know, if you're not great in school, the military is perfect place for you," Steve recalls. This common narrative, coupled with family pride and a desire to defend his country, led him to enlist in the Marine Corps.

Key Insight: Many young people are drawn to military service through a combination of family expectations, societal pressure, and a genuine desire to serve. However, this decision often comes without a full understanding of the implications.

The Reality of Military Life

Steve's experiences in the military were far from the romanticized version often portrayed in recruitment ads. He deployed three times in four years, missing significant milestones in his family life, including the birth of his son. The physical and emotional toll was immense:

• Broken back

• Dislocated shoulders

• Knee injuries

• Sleep apnea

• PTSD and anxiety

"I scream at night. I don't remember my dreams," Steve shares, highlighting the lasting impact of his service.

Challenge: Veterans often struggle with the disconnect between their expectations of military service and the harsh realities they face. This can lead to profound physical and emotional challenges that persist long after their service ends.

A Spiritual Awakening

The turning point in Steve's journey came during a Memorial Day celebration in 2017. As he recited the Pledge of Allegiance, he had a sudden realization:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And I said that first line, I was like, what? In my brain, I'm just like, what in the hell am I doing? What is this garbage I am saying?"

This moment sparked a deep reevaluation of his beliefs and values, leading Steve to question the relationship between his faith and his allegiance to the state.

Key Takeaway: True spiritual growth often requires us to challenge deeply ingrained beliefs and societal norms. Steve's experience shows how a single moment of clarity can set in motion a profound transformation.

Redefining Patriotism and Faith

As Steve delved deeper into the teachings of Jesus, he began to see a stark contrast between Christ's message of peace and love and the violence inherent in military service. He came to a powerful conclusion:

"God does not want your son [or daughter] joining the military”

This realization has led Steve to approach conversations about military service with honesty and a focus on the teachings of Christ. He now sees his role as helping others, especially young people considering or in military service, to understand the full implications of that choice.

Practical Advice: When discussing military service with others, especially young people, Steve aims to:

1. Be honest about the physical and emotional toll of service

2. Encourage reflection on how military service aligns (or doesn't) with one's faith and values

3. Present alternative ways to serve one's community and country

The Ongoing Journey

Steve's transformation is still a work in progress. He grapples with how to live out his newfound convictions in a community deeply entrenched in military culture. His story serves as a powerful reminder that true faith often requires us to challenge societal norms and expectations.

What We Learned About Faith, Patriotism, and Service

Steve's journey from soldier to peacemaker offers valuable lessons for all of us:

1. Question societal norms: Don't accept traditional narratives about patriotism and service without critical examination.

2. Align actions with beliefs: Regularly evaluate whether your actions truly reflect your core values and faith.

3. Embrace transformation: Be open to changing long-held beliefs when confronted with new insights or spiritual growth.

4. Share your story: Your experiences, even (or especially) the challenging ones, can help others navigate their own journeys.

Steve's story challenges us to reconsider what it truly means to serve God and our fellow humans. It reminds us that sometimes, the most patriotic act is to question and challenge the status quo in pursuit of a more peaceful, Christ-centered world.

Are you ready to reevaluate your own beliefs about patriotism, service, and faith? Listen to the full episode to dive deeper into Steve's transformative journey and discover how it might inspire changes in your own life.

Episode Timestamps:

(0:53) Steve's background and military service

• Family history of military service

• Influence of 9/11 on Steve's decision to join the military

• Multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan

(5:20) Steve's religious background and conversion

• Raised with mixed Catholic and Christian Science influences

• Became a Christian through his wife's influence

(7:27) Steve's military career and deployments

• Three tours in four years as intelligence personnel

• Experiences in combat and military operations

• Reference to Generation Kill (HBO Series)

(11:48) Steve's awakening to the issues with military service

• Realization during a Memorial Day celebration in 2017

• Recognition of the American flag as a "golden calf"

(14:09) Discussion on current military recruitment challenges

• Declining recruitment numbers and possible reasons

• Steve's perspective on the lack of active conflicts

(21:23) Steve's struggle with past actions and beliefs

• Grappling with the idea that military service wasn't God's will

• Impact on mental health and PTSD

• Reference to 1st Samuel 8 (Bible Verse)

(29:13) Steve's family life and the impact of military service

• Missing his son's birth during deployment

• Challenges in reconnecting with family after long absences

(42:52) Conversations with others about military service

• Approach to discussing military realities with potential recruits

• Balancing honesty about hardships with respect for beliefs

(50:36) Steve's evolving perspective on patriotism and symbolism

• Discomfort with excessive flag displays and national anthems

• Recognizing the brainwashing aspect of patriotic rituals

• Blue Angels are still cool though

(59:36) Conclusion and future plans

• Encouragement for Steve to start writing about his experiences

• Potential for future discussions on the podcast.

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128. The Anabaptist Way: Rediscovering Radical Christianity with Cody Cook

About this Episode

Are you tired of feeling like your faith has been watered down by political allegiances and cultural compromises? Do you long for a Christianity that truly embodies the radical teachings of Jesus? In this eye-opening episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, you'll dive deep into the world of Anabaptism with author and researcher Cody Cook. Get ready to challenge your assumptions and rediscover what it truly means to follow Christ in a world that often seems at odds with His teachings.

A Return to Radical Roots

The Anabaptist movement emerged in the 16th century as a response to what many saw as a compromised Christianity. While the Protestant Reformation challenged some aspects of the Catholic Church, the Anabaptists took things further, seeking to return to the radical roots of the early church.

Cody Cook explains:
"The Anabaptists were seen as part of what was called the radical Reformation, which means extreme in common parlance, but it also means basically to go back to the original sources. Basically, to be radical means to go back to the beginning. And I think that's really what they did, more so than Protestants were willing to do."

This commitment to returning to the source—the teachings of Jesus and the early church—set the Anabaptists apart and led to revolutionary ideas that continue to challenge mainstream Christianity today.

Key Insights: What Made the Anabaptists Different?

1. Believers' Baptism
One of the most defining characteristics of Anabaptism was their rejection of infant baptism in favor of baptizing only those who could make a conscious decision to follow Christ. This may seem commonplace now, but at the time, it was revolutionary and threatening to the established order.

As Cook points out:
"Roman Christianity had long assumed the validity of the Volkskirch, that is, that with the exception of heretics and Jews, everyone in Europe belonged to the Church, the people's church, by virtue of infant baptism."

By rejecting infant baptism, Anabaptists were essentially challenging the entire concept of Christendom and the marriage of church and state.

2. Nonviolence and Pacifism
Another core tenet of Anabaptism was a commitment to nonviolence and pacifism. This wasn't just a personal preference, but a deeply held conviction based on their understanding of Jesus' teachings.

Cook explains:
"Jesus not only modeled non-violent love toward his enemies, but he commanded it from his followers as well. And that made them stand out from the Protestants."

This commitment to nonviolence put Anabaptists at odds with both Catholic and Protestant authorities, leading to severe persecution.

3. Separation from the State
Unlike the reformers who sought to create new "Christian" states, Anabaptists believed in a clear separation between the church and worldly powers. They saw themselves as citizens of God's kingdom first and foremost.

"Christ is our king," Cook emphasizes. "So we should expect that there is going to be some conflict from time to time between the kingdom of God and the kings of men. And when that happens, we're always to side with our loyalty to the kingdom of God."

Challenging Your Assumptions: Rethinking Self-Defense and Pacifism

One of the most thought-provoking aspects of our conversation with Cody Cook was his exploration of pacifism and self-defense. Many Christians, especially in America, have a knee-jerk reaction against pacifism, seeing it as weak or impractical. But Cook challenges you to reconsider this view:

"Ultimately, at the root of it is just the Latin word pox, which means peace. And so it's a way of approaching peace, of peacemaking, essentially."

He goes on to explain that pacifism doesn't necessarily mean complete inaction in the face of threat, but rather a commitment to pursuing peaceful solutions and avoiding lethal force.

This perspective forces us to confront some uncomfortable questions:

• Have we allowed our cultural values to overshadow the teachings of Jesus when it comes to violence?

• Are there creative, nonviolent ways to protect yourself and others that haven’t been fully explored?

• How might your witness as a Christian change if you truly embraced a commitment to peacemaking?

Practical Advice: Living Out Anabaptist Principles Today

While you may not be called to join an Anabaptist church, there are valuable lessons you can learn from their approach to faith:

1. Prioritize the teachings of Jesus: Make a conscious effort to center your faith on the words and actions of Christ, even when they challenge cultural norms.

2. Seek peaceful solutions: In conflicts, big and small, look for ways to de-escalate and promote reconciliation rather than retaliation.

3. Question allegiances: Regularly examine whether your political or cultural loyalties are in conflict with your primary allegiance to Christ's kingdom.

4. Live simply and in community: Consider ways to simplify your life and deepen your connections with other believers.

5. Be willing to stand apart: Don't be afraid to take countercultural stances when your faith demands it.

What did we Learn About Radical Christianity?

Our conversation with Cody Cook reminds us that following Jesus has always been a radical act. The Anabaptists, despite their flaws and the intense persecution they faced, offer Christians a compelling vision of what it means to take Jesus' teachings seriously.

As you navigate the complex landscape of modern Christianity, perhaps it's time to revisit some of these "radical" ideas. What if you truly embraced nonviolence, even in the face of threats? What if you saw yourself primarily as a citizen of God's kingdom rather than any earthly nation? What if you committed to building voluntary communities of faith rather than relying on state power to enforce your beliefs?

These are challenging questions, but they're worth wrestling with. As Cook's upcoming book The Anarchist Anabaptist suggests, there may be more overlap between these historical believers and modern Christian anarchists than you might think.

Listen to the full episode for a deeper dive into these fascinating topics. And as you do, ask yourself: How might embracing some of these Anabaptist principles transform your walk with Christ?

Connect with Cody Cook:

• Libertarian Christian Insitute

• Podcast - Cantus Firmus

• Explore Cody’s Books

• Website: www.cantus-firmus.com

• Libertarian Insitute Blogs

• Bad Roman Episodes with Cody Cook:

  • EP 89 God's Country or Jesus’s Kingdom? Navigating the Nexus of Nationalism and Faith in America

  • EP 99Navigating Revivals in Christianity with Cody Cook

Episode Timestamps:

(1:07) Background on Anabaptists

• Connections between Mennonites, Anabaptists, and Amish

• Craig's personal experiences with Mennonites

(1:48) Cody's Current Projects

• Overview of Cody's work on Anabaptist systematic theology

• Introduction to "The Anarchist Anabaptist" book

(3:55) Anabaptist Church Availability

• Craig's search for Anabaptist churches in the Memphis area

• Challenges of attending distant churches

(5:06) Diversity Within Modern Anabaptism

• Spectrum of conservative to liberal Anabaptist groups

• Cody's focus on traditional Anabaptist political theology

(9:05) Anabaptists and Anarchism

• Separationist vs. activist anarchism

• Anabaptists' view of Christ as king and the state as separate

(12:28) Historical Context of Anabaptism

• Emergence of Anabaptists in the 16th century, challenging the union of church and state

• Anabaptists sought to build a voluntary society, emphasizing freedom of religion and speech

• Key Anabaptist beliefs: believers' baptism, nonviolence, separation from the state

(20:40) Pacifism and Self-Defense in Christian thought

• Discussion on Christian pacifism vs. self-defense

• Jesus teaches followers to set aside their rights rather than assert them

• Exploration of natural rights and Christian obligations

• Importance of thinking through responses to hypothetical situations is emphasized

• Pacifism as working towards peace, not necessarily absolute non-resistance

(29:28) American Revolution and Christianity

• Review of David Bercot's book "In God We Don't Trust"

• Critique of justifications for the American Revolution

• At the time of the American Revolution, colonists were taxed at about 1.5%

• Americans received benefits of British citizenship without many downsides

• This is contrasted with modern taxation rates of 30-50%

(47:49) State Ordination and Biblical Perspective

• Complexities of God's ordination of the state

• Satan's and human influence on state power

(52:55) Democracy vs monarchy debate

• Reference to a previous episode discussing monarchy versus democracy

• Suggestion that the U.S. is no longer a republic but has moved into democracy

• Questioning whether people are better off under current system compared to past

(54:24) Cody's book recommendations and future projects

• Cody mentions his book "Fight the Powers" about political and demonic power

• He has a short book on Christian nationalism from an Anabaptist perspective

• Cody will be taking over some hosting duties for the Libertarian Christian podcast

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110. The True Reason Behind Jesus' Crucifixion: A Thought-Provoking Discussion with Reverend Caleb Lines

About this Episode

Are you among those who grew up with traditional Christian values yet find yourself questioning the relationship between your faith and political matters? If so, you're not alone. In this energetic episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, host Craig engages with the thought-provoking Reverend Caleb Lines in a discussion that may challenge the core of your theological understanding.

Why was Jesus crucified? Was it a political statement against the empire, or was it a divine act of atonement for humanity's sins? Reverend Lines, coming from a progressive Christian standpoint, proposes a provocative notion in his sermon "Jesus was crucified for standing up to empire and not to atone for the sins of humanity." This episode delves into the rich historical and political backdrop of Jesus' crucifixion, compelling listeners to revisit and potentially revise their conventional beliefs.

The conversation further delves into the concept of atonement as depicted in the New Testament. We examine the contrasting portrayals of Jesus in the Synoptic Gospels versus John, raising the question: Is there a harmonious theological stance within the New Testament, or does it contain significant discrepancies? Challenging the development of penal substitutionary atonement theory, Reverend Lines and Craig illuminate the intricate nuances found in the New Testament writings, with the aim of fostering a more layered understanding of Jesus' teachings and their modern-day relevance to Christian faith and conduct.

As the episode progresses, we delve into the essence of progressive Christianity. Reverend Lines discusses its foundation in the core teachings of Jesus—advocating for peace, justice, and inclusivity—and its application in today's world, particularly regarding contemporary humanitarian issues. He provides insights into how pastors can lead their congregations in navigating the complex terrain of faith intertwined with politics.

The concept of Christian anarchy is also brought to the fore, examining whether voluntary charity could offer a more effective solution to societal challenges than government interventions. This segment questions the effectiveness of political leaders and suggests that perhaps a more Christ-like approach to societal problems could be more fruitful.

Whether you're firmly rooted in your beliefs or on the cusp of a spiritual reassessment, this episode is a must-listen. It invites you to join a conversation that not only digs deep into theological discourse but also touches upon the pressing social justice issues of our time.

Discover a new perspective on Jesus' crucifixion and its implications for the contemporary Christian journey. Engage with this critical episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, where faith, politics, and social justice intersect.

Connect with Reverend Caleb Lines:

• progressivechristianity.org

• University Christian Church in San Diego website and Facebook

• Awakened: A 52-Week Progressive Christian Devotional

Episode Timestamps:

01:07 Christians' Entanglement With the State

•  Reverend Caleb Lines introduces his background in progressive Christianity

•  Jesus' crucifixion, discussing it as a political act against empire as opposed to only for atonement

• Historical context of Jesus' execution by the Roman Empire

•  Conversation on the intersection of faith and politics and the challenge to traditional theological interpretations

07:15 Jesus' Subversive Message

•  Detailed exploration of Jesus' radical message in its historical context

•  How this message clashed with the political powers of the time

•  The role of the crucifixion in the broader political struggle

15:02 Understanding Atonement in New Testament

•  Unpacking the concept of atonement and contrasting views of Jesus in the Synoptic Gospels and John

•  Clarification of misconceptions about a unified New Testament theology

•  Emphasis on historical and political context over penal substitutionary atonement

•  Examination of Jesus' message of loyalty to God's reign over Roman rule

22:10 Jesus as a Political Figure

•  Explores the political implications of Jesus' message

•  How this message was perceived by Roman authority

•  Jesus' death as a result of his political activism

27:37 Interpretations of Scripture and God

•  The complexities of being labeled "woke" and addressing humanitarian crises like the situation in Gaza

•  Role of pastors in facilitating dialogue within their congregations

•  Conversation on biblical inerrancy and interpretive choices in translations

•  Stress on the importance of questioning and wrestling with faith

32:45 The Problem of Biblical Literalism

•  Discussion on the issues with taking biblical text at face value

•  How different translations can alter meanings and interpretations

•  Encouragement for a more nuanced approach to biblical interpretation

38:55 Progressive Christianity Defined Through Conversation

•  Clear articulation of progressive Christianity's core values

•  Emphasis on Jesus' original teachings of peace, justice, and inclusivity

•  Misrepresentation of Christianity by the religious right

• Communion as a symbol of unity and the breaking of social barriers

44:25 Tackling Misconceptions about Progressive Christianity

•  Addresses common misunderstandings and criticisms about progressive Christianity

•  Explores the nuances of the movement's values and beliefs

•  Highlights the importance of dialogue and understanding

49:39 Christian Anarchy vs Government Accountability

• Leveraging nonprofits and social programs in alignment with Jesus' teachings

• Concept of Christian anarchy and voluntary charity as alternatives to government intervention

•  Critically examines political leaders' failures to end military conflicts

•  Unity among Christians on common issues despite different approaches

54:45 The Call to Social Justice

•  Discussion on the Christian mandate for social justice

•  How this mandate can be fulfilled in a modern context

•  Reflection on the responsibility of the Church in addressing social issues

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