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48. Meeting People Where They Are with Justin Cornett of For All Tennessee

In this episode, we take the podcast in a bit of a different direction. We are anarchists, but we've brought in someone who works within the state to improve citizens’ lives through the legislature. Justin Cornett started For All Tennessee so he can act as a go-between from citizens to their representatives.

For All TN listens to citizens’ needs and works to get them taken care of them by passing bills. This organization is different because its members vote on which issues to pursue, and the company is not controlled by money. For more information, visit For All Tennessee or email info@foralltn.org. Follow Justin on Facebook and Twitter

At The Bad Roman Project, we wish the state didn't exist. But the fact is, it does. I (Craig) have been learning that people won’t immediately jump to anarchy from their brainwashed state. We have to meet them where they're at. We have to find ways to make them see that they don't want to be controlled by an authority, especially one who only cares about them as long as they're contributing financially to the government.

Part of the work Justin is doing is spreading knowledge to average citizens about the unfair and unconstitutional laws they are abiding by. He opens their eyes to what the government is doing and encourages them to join him in pushing their local representatives in a different direction. This is a step towards freedom, a step towards taking control of what's ruling their lives and realizing how harmful the government is to their community. 

Timestamps:

2:43 Biden’s “Proclamation” about vaccine mandates

  • It was just a press release

  • Good ideas don’t require force

    • It’s a bad idea to criminalize bad decision making

  • They never pushed the flu shot quite like this 

  • “If they would have just let people decide on their own, more people probably would have taken this shot.” -Craig

  • So much overreaction at the beginning by people on both sides of the aisle that people are now almost underactive and unwilling to put an experiment in their arms

  • Biden and governors (like Texas and Florida) are making “mandates” about the vaccine – either that it can or cannot be required of specific people

    • But in Tennessee, it is a law that companies cannot require their employees to be vaccinated

      • Craig hasn’t had to choose between his livelihood and his life like so many others

      • Justin helped him talk to his politicians about it

8:30 We still live under our government

  • Reality is, we live with a governmental system

    • If we want anything to happen, we have to work within that system

    •  most of the followers of the bad Roman are not ready to declare total anarchy, so we have to ease them into it a bit

    • “The world exists as it exists… If you try to operate contrary to the way the world actually works, it's not going to work out well for you.” -Justin

  • Sometimes, people think they’re opposed to you

    • Until you take the time to understand them and explain more

      • And you both find they’ve said the same thing you said before, just differently

    • No one will listen to a headstrong bully

    • Jesus used love, hope, and patience to guide people to His path

      • If we don't use those tools, we will not succeed 

  • Someone’s gotta work through the state; just not Craig ;)

13:44 For All Tennessee

  • Takes policy ideas to the hill

  • Members pay $5+/month

    • They get to vote on which issues are focused on

    • Also, people can designate their money for specific issues

  • Utilizes different tactics such as pamphlets, door to door information sharing, and ads

  • They do not campaign for or endorse certain politicians. They simply inform people about where all the politicians stand on important issues

  • No party affiliation; just what's best for Tennessee

  • “You don't fix what the government broke with more government. You can't really fix what the parties have broken with more parties, because the problem is inherent in the parties.” -Justin

  • America was supposed to be self-governed through Representatives 

    • But right now there are two organizations who tell us what our options are, and we have to choose which of the 2 is less terrible

      • The only way to change that is for citizens to lean on their representatives

  • Working to 

    • Find out what the citizens want 

    • Create policies

    • Lobby for representatives to vote for what do people in their district have asked 

      • If they don’t, they’ll lose votes

    • Find out what representatives think about policies and inform citizens

    • Guide people into a different mindset where they

      • Have influence over public policy

      • Don’t blindly follow government

        • They have the gift of free will 

      • Are aware of and ask for what's best for their community

    • Guide people to take a step towards freedom

  • Run by this principle: get policy done that empowers people and limits government

28:23 How the founding fathers might feel about how things work now

  • Rollin over in their graves

  • If they were here, they’d go to war with our government

    • The federal government was never supposed to have as much power as it does

      • States were supposed to have more control

      • The federal budget is significantly higher than all the states’ budgets combined

      • The States created the federal government

        • And should therefore have more power 

      • The federal government does not constitutionally have the authority to pass a law 

        • But they've been doing it anyway for 100 years 

        • Everyone just behaves like the acts they have passed are law

33:04 Hypocrisy

  • Saying we have to follow something because it's the law

    • While also dismissing laws that don't make sense

    • Or even disobeying align yourself while demanding that others get punished for it

  •  Saying we should love our neighbor

    •  While also delighting in locking him up for nonviolent crimes

      •  Making his education, career, and family life a massive struggle

      •  Keeping him dependent on the state for sustenance

34:58 A new definition of politics

  • Politics happens any time people interact with other people

  • If you have a society full of garbage people, it is going to fail regardless of what government it has

  • If you have a society full of people who truly care about others, the government won't be needed to control them

  • We need a combination of 

    • A kind attitude towards each other and

    • A lack of governmental control

  • We've got to focus on the goal

  • We need to fix our eyes on Jesus, not what's going on in the world around us

    • Our treasure is not here on Earth 

    • But let's make the most out of what we have here

      •  While recognizing that this isn't the end for us

38:00 Working to limit police power

  • Qualified immunity

    • Hasn't been voted on within the organization yet

    • They may or may not work on it, depending on the votes

  • No-knock Raids

    • Worked to get 123 out of 132 votes to abolish them in TN

    • Written with police chiefs and the governor's office 

    • Tennessee already had a good record and policies in place to prevent no-knocks

      • This was just the final step

    • Police now have to report any excessive force used

    • Deescalation training is now required

40:52 Low-hanging fruit 

  • Going for the policies that are already widely agreed upon

    • They are agreed upon by citizens, not necessarily representatives

    • Civil asset forfeiture

      • The government can see that you have assets and simply take them even when you have done nothing wrong

      • Many representatives see this as a necessary income stream for the government

      • Most average citizens have no idea this is a thing

        • So part of the work is to educate them and ask them to join against it

44:17 Effectiveness Analysis

  • We check on the issues we worked on

  • We got a bill passed on civil asset forfeiture that made the state more financially responsible when proven to be in the wrong

    • But they have a loophole

    • People are not being reimbursed for their legal fees

    • Now, we have another angle to focus on to help people

48:12 “We are nothing more than a revenue source for the government.” -Craig

  • How do people not see this?

    • When a lie becomes commonplace, people just accept it

48:48 COVID migration

  • People are moving to different states to escape COVID laws

    • Hopefully, those from the most extreme states don’t bring the lies they lived under with them

      • Conservatives are bad, but liberals are worse

      • Californians moving to Texas

    • In one county of TN, restaurants demanded people’s addresses in order to track their travel

  • The government wants to divide and conquer us

    • We should be focusing on the similarities between groups

  • Both sides want us to get vaccinated right now

    • Liberals get there by mandating what they think is good for us

    • Both are seeking gain and change culture

      • The way they want the culture to change to is different

      • Both prescribe laws for the purpose of culture shift

55:31 Plans for the new year

  • Members can vote on what issues we focus on in 2022

    • Join before the deadline and get your vote in 

  • If someone comes to us with $100,000 to work on a particular issue in a certain direction, we still need the approval of our members before moving forward

  • As far as we know, no one else operates this way

    • If someone knows of an organization that does, please let us know so we can learn from them and be allies

  • Currently, we only work in Tennessee but would love to have chapters in other states and then federally

    • Have incorporated for this reason

    • Everybody wants somebody to be doing this work 

Contact For All TN at info@foralltn.org

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47. Home School: 2021 Year End Round Table

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For this year’s year-end roundtable (YERT), we have six guests and friends of the podcast, each with a different view on education to have a discussion on homeschooling in 2021.

Our guests are Abby Cleckner, Kerry Baldwin, Jordan, Nathan Moon, and Chris and Karin Polk, most of who grew up attending public schools. A few of the pannel are, or have been, teachers both within and outside of the public school system. A couple of them currently offer training or courses to adults about how to think for themselves, skills they feel they see as lacking in current public curriculums.

In this episode, we ask questions like, are schools are a training ground for compliant citizens who will pull whatever lever they are told without question? Does the system set teachers and students up to struggle?

Most of the panel currently homeschool their children and view it as the only real way to protect their family values and provide an education tailored to their specific childs’ interests.

They also discuss how formal education influences people’s understandings and perspectives on how the world works, in terms of politics and social structures in society. If our public school system was created to make a compliant labor force, with no desire to question the system or learn on their own, then we must encourage our children to pursue their personal interests, to learn how to think and enable them to with the tools to do it themselves.

Control of our children’s education starts at home. Homeschooling might seem like an impossible dream but, especially in the last couple of years, families of every background have found a way, and there are endless resources for innumerable methods to teach the next generation.

 

Timestamps:

00:49 Announcements for 2022

  • New Bad Roman sponsorship program

    • The first 10 people who sponsor the show for 4 episodes will get a 5th episode free 

    • Advertise your podcast, product, or blog

    • Tell us what you want to say: thebadromanpodcast@gmail.com

  • New co-host

    • Abby Cleckner!!

      • She’s written for the blog, been on the podcast, gone on other podcasts for the bad Roman, and just been an essential part of the work we're doing

4:08 Guest introductions

  • Jordan 

    • Grew up at public school in West Texas

    • Has a teaching certificate in Texas

      •  Left public schools for so many reasons

      •  Now teaches at a university model homeschool group

  •  Kerry Baldwin

    • Teacher of the Socratic Method

    • Homeschool Parent

      • Three kids

      • Divorced mom 

      • Works from home

    •  Homeschooled as a kid 

      • Before it was legal in New Mexico

        • “I like to say that my education was born from civil disobedience.”

    • Socratic method

      •  AKA inquiry-based learning

      •  Courses available for middle school on up

        • For both students and teachers leading students through the method

        • Register for summer here

  • Karin Polk

    • Grew up in public school

    • Stay-at-home parent

    • Homeschooling all three kids starting 11 years ago

  • Chris Polk

    • Grew up in public school

    • Claims homeschooled status for himself now because he’s learning so much with his kids

      • It’s like doing school over again, but actually learning something  

  • Nathan Moon

    • Had a good experience in public school

    • Most families at their church homeschooled, so they did too

    • Taught in a public school

      • Only lasted a year

  • Abby Cleckner

    • Went to public school

      • K-college

      • Moved a lot

    • Had a terrible experience when she put her kids in

      • Switched to a magnet, but then moved to rural area without one 

    • Lets her older kids decide where to go to school

      • Homeschools the younger ones

      • Older ones have chosen to stay in public

      • “Homeschooling is teaching them to be self-directed and make their own decisions and use their own logic to figure things out. And so, in that vein, I feel like it's not my place to force them into what kind of schooling.”

13:28 Why are people ignorant in 2021?

  • Why don't they understand how our governmental system works?

    • Didn't we learn that in public school?

      • They actually cut civics classes out of school in the 90’s

        • But it's not only young people who don't understand

    • Perhaps people are just so focused on their favorite news anchor that they don't remember facts

      • Like that an executive order from the president can't override state law, thanks to the 10th Amendment

    • Homeschool Community has grown dramatically since COVID

    • New truckers come to Chris because they want freedom, but they've never learned to think for themselves

      • They never really learned to comprehend what they're reading or do basic math for themselves

      • If they previously worked for a big corporation, all they know is how to do what they're told 

      • His students get so frustrated when he won't just give them the answer

    • It's the same at school as in corporations

      • Sit down. Shut up. And do (or learn) what I tell you.

      • Prussian model of “Just pull the lever”. You don't have to know why

    • Schools don't care if you're learning

      • You cannot be held back when you fail; you will still graduate to the next level “for social reasons”

        • So many kids wind up graduating from high school with maybe a fifth-grade-level education because they were not required to pass their classes

          • What can they be successful at?

            •  Pulling a lever

      • Teachers are likely to care, but they're held back by the administration

        • That is why so many teachers are also leaving public schools

      • Schools don't communicate with parents

        • There was a kid who had passed a total of 3 classes in all of high school, and his parents didn't find out until the school informed them that he wasn't graduating at the end of his senior year

24:24 Why are teachers leaving public schools?

  • From a behavioral standpoint, if you take an underpaid overworked position and pile more work on it, people are going to want to escape that position

    • Teachers do many hours of extra work outside the classroom during the summer and at home during the school year

    • The average secondary school teacher has about 120 students they are solely responsible for teaching in their subject

      •  No support from parents

      •  Lots of red tape from admin

    • That's why teachers are always so excited for summer

    • COVID brought very different expectations to the position

      • Tons of extra work

    • So, we have a teacher shortage

  • If a student is willing to take advanced classes, they might get a decent education

  • Schools often hire people who don't have a teaching degree as long as they are in school to finish that degree

    • “Almost anyone can be a teacher. All you have to do is just find the Craigslist ad and dust off your transcripts. But that doesn't mean that you're a good teacher.” -Nathan

  • “A lot of parents are pulling their kids from public education because they're realizing they're not receiving systematic instruction, they're receiving systematic indoctrination.” -Nathan

    • Teachers are also realizing this and are unwilling to participate

  • Teachers almost never quit because they don't like teaching or because of the children

    • It’s the policies they have to follow

  • This disaster started in the 1800's when we changed our education system

    • Suddenly, professionals/the state were responsible for teaching our children rather than their parents

    • It contributes to the breakdown of the family

    • Parents don't know how their kids are doing in school

      • Teachers watch the children failing, and are tied down by policies that prevent them from intervening

32:18 The roles of students and teachers

  • “When we talk about education, we are talking about what the adults are doing for the kids, but. We're not talking about what the kids are doing in order to learn. And this is, I think, a mistake.” -Kerry

    • Students’ interest is essential

      • Even the greatest teacher cannot teach students who don't care about the subject

  • Teachers: architects or gardeners?

    • Architects build a very specific product

      • This is what public schools want teachers to be

    • Gardners feed and tend to their plants, which will not come out looking identical 

      • Provide the environment; it's up to the plants to grow

  • Whose responsibility is it to make the school look good?

    • “Administrators and bureaucrats put a ton of pressure on teachers, teachers, in turn, put a ton of pressure on kids and parents, parents put a ton of pressure on kids and kids are carrying the education systems on their backs.” -Kerry

  • “Education is learning how to learn so that you can teach yourself whatever it is that you want to teach yourself.” -Kerry 

    • It isn’t learning a bunch of facts

      • It's learning why those facts are important

    • Parents aren't going to know everything, so it's important the kids know how to learn on their own or alongside their parent

41:13 Curriculum

  • A curriculum that worked well for one kid is not likely to work well for all of them

    • Don't expect to use the same one for all of your children

    • We cannot recommend a curriculum that will work well for every child

  • Many new homeschool parents seek to replicate public school at home

    • Everyone gets burned out

    • The parents feel like failures

    • Breathe and just go with what they're interested in.

      • They will learn naturally

      • “Keep it simple, Stupid.” -Chris 

43:35 How has education influenced what we've seen happening these last couple years?

  • Public schools don't teach how to analyze a text

    • People have not been critically reading the articles they consume

      • They don't know how to tell what information is important and how to apply it to their life

  • Even a lot of homeschool curriculum is just filling in bubbles with the right information

  • Instead of bullet points and boring charts, information should be narrative

    • That's what humans naturally are; that's how we've always learned 

  • When kids are learning about their personal interests, they learn a lot more quickly and in-depth than when a tired teacher is trying to reach 30 students who don't want to be there every day

  • Kids also need more time to play and learn that way

    • Developmentally, they simply cannot be expected to sit still for 8 hours every day with only two 15-minute breaks

      • Actually, adults shouldn't be expected to do that either!

  •  Homeschoolers can go as in-depth on a topic if they want

    •  They’ll learn more than just the public school propaganda:

      • This bad thing happened in history, but America swooped in and saved the day. The end.

  • If a student wants to learn more about a topic or keep reading, that's seen as a problem, and they “need to learn to work on their transitions”; to comply with the system better 

    • Kids aren't allowed to enjoy learning, so they quit trying

    • They're rewarded for pulling the lever, not for exploring why the lever is there

    • Learning is not encouraged; compliance is

  • MAGA makes sense when you think of the public school history propaganda

    • We all learned that, especially back in the 40s and 50s, America solved all the world's problems and was a prosperous nation

      • “They're too dumb to know they're dumb” -Jordan

    • But now schools have swung away from this teaching

      •  Changed to: America is the worst. White people are the worst. 

    • The only way you'll have control over what your children learn and the values instilled in their brains is to home-school them

      • A lot of people think there's no way they can homeschool their kids

        • They are losing free babysitting

        • There’s the pressure to succeed that comes from government requirements for teachers, schools, and students

        • But the lesson time takes half as long

        • All types of parents have found a way to succeed

      • If you know the Socratic method, you can learn even from the most terrible, one-sided curriculum

        • Because you’ll know how to ask the right questions

  • Media represented by talking heads who were taught what to think

  • But there are exciting technologies coming

    • Like blockchain

    • We can get ourselves and our kids ahead of the game by learning about it while most students are busy being indoctrinated

1:10:07 Options for homeschooling

  • University Model

    •  Kids go into a small school 2 or 3 days a week

    •  The other days, they are at home doing their homework 

  • Or at least find a co-op of other parents who can support your journey

  • YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO TEACH YOUR CHILD

  • There are so many tools available for all different styles of learning

  • We don't need the Department of Education

    • They were only established in the 70s

    • Our education system would probably improve if they went under because everyone would be homeschooling 

    • It's actually unconstitutional and should never have existed 

1:14:03 Final Thoughts & Where to Connect with our Guest

  • Nathan

    • Homeschooling is possible for your family. You can find a way

      • Even if you don't do it, do take a greater interest in your child's education

      • Take the initiative

    • Theology Writings 

    • Fiction Writing and Poetry 

      • Children can send submissions here, and I’ll post them

  • Chris

  •  Jordan

    • You can't do it wrong

      • If you're considering changing your child's schooling, you clearly love them and want what's best for them

      • Follow your gut

      • They are your child, given to you because you would know how to care for them

  • Kerry

  • Abby

    • The homeschool community continues to grow exponentially

    • Even people who are fans of the public school system have criticisms

    • COVID regulations have made schools into literal prisons

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38. Your Rights with Chris Polk & Jacob Daniel

Chris Polk is a Christ follower, podcast host, father, husband and entrepreneur. He owns a trucking company in West Virginia called Blue Ribbon Logistics. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, and his podcast. Jacob Daniel is a Christian and friend of the show. He is an Austrian Economist and member of the Mises Caucus. He can be found online on Facebook, YouTube, his podcast, and website.

We discuss answers to the questions: What are rights? Where do they come from? Who has rights? Are there rights being claimed that we do not truly have? Is it really a right if we have to violate someone else’s rights to get it? Who is taking our rights away? How do we overcome tyranny and reclaim our rights? 

Timestamps & Starting points:

1:10 Chris’s journey from staunch republican to anarchist

  • 2008 financial crisis

    • 1999 NYT article predicting it based on Clinton’s policies

    • Realized it was caused by the government

    • Everyone changed what they valued under Obama

      • No one in government actually has values; they just pretend to get ahead

    • Heard Ron Paul & Tom Woods interviews

    • Made choice not to worship founding fathers & Constitution

    • Went to his friend’s church where they preached about Jesus & anarchism

    • Today, refusing to be swayed by fear and shame

4:55 Dave Ramsey

  • Craig’s journey to financial security

  • “Dave Ramsey is the gateway drug to liberty.”

    • He causes people to ask questions and think for themselves

  • Too bad he’s still a statist

7:41 Jacob’s progression to anarchism

  • 2016 Bernie supporter 

  • Voted for Hilary under vegan peer pressure  

  • Ben Shapiro-esque  

  • Libertarian anarchy

10:01 Shameful old Facebook posts

  • “If I saw some of the things I said back then now on someone else’s wall, I would be on them in a heartbeat – like a cheetah in the wild.” -Jacob

  • Craig actually started writing a spicy comment on one of his own memory posts

12:06 Larkin Rose quote

  • “The truth is, one who seeks to achieve freedom by petitioning those in power to give it to him has already failed. Regardless of the response, to beg for the blessing of authority is to accept that the choice is the master’s alone to make, which means that the person already, by definition, is a slave.”

12:29 What are Rights?

  • Chris: 

    • “Something that cannot be taken away from me without there being some sort of harm… simply being able to engage in those rights does not bring harm to anyone else.”

  • Jacob: 

    • “Something you’re entitled to.”

    • Positive Rights: 

      • Something society “owes” you

      • Cause you to use force against someone to get them

    • Negative Rights: 

      • Needs we have that can be met without aggressing against someone else

20:35 The right to free healthcare

  • “How’s the worker gonna get paid if you want every damn thing for free?” -Chris

  • The person paying the bill has the authority

    • Why would we want to give the government power over our medical care?

      • People will fight for women to have the choice of abortion without government regulation, but forget to apply that right to other health concerns

  • Doctors are no longer trained to treat whole humans; they’re just parts changers

  • They must follow the authority’s guidance, even when it makes no sense

    • If they don’t, they’ll be cancelled

    • But those in authority are not even healthcare professionals

      • They just have money

  • Why are big corporations and big tobacco bad, but big pharma is ok?

  • Citizens of Canada come to US for emergency treatment because getting it there takes too long

    • But we still don’t exactly have a free market

      • Only big pharma is benefitting

      • There’s a lot of red tape

      • Regulations keep needs from being met

30:52 Environmental emissions regulation example

  • LA outlawed most trucks being used

  • Big companies bought compliant trucks and leased to smaller companies

    • How else could freight be moved?

  • And then the Marxists swooped in and said the corporations were evil for their high lease rates

    • Demanded unionization of truckers

    • But it wasn’t the corporations’ fault

      • It was the government’s

  • The laws were not really created to save the environment or lower illness

    • They were to help politicians get elected by making them look friendly to unions

  • “The more power we give to the state to try to give us these things that we want, that we think we are entitled to, we're giving the state more and more license and power to go and do things that nobody wants to talk about.” - Jacob

40:16 Where do our tights come from?

  • Most Americans, regardless of their religion, believe it’s from the state

  • “Every man, woman and child on this planet has the same, uh, individual natural rights that you do.” - Chris

    • When people think their rights come from the Constitution, the idea that humans from outside the States have rights is shocking

  • Non-Aggression Principle

    • Found in 10 Commandments & Jesus’ 2nd greatest

      • Love other people

    • Imago Dei

      • If people are made in the image of God, then aggressing against them is like aggressing against Him

      • You’re not loving God when you don’t love people

46:51 How to stop tyranny

  • People are so quick to follow the rules

    • “These are not rules. These are the actions of tyrants.” -Craig

    • “I am not waiting for the state in any way to do anything for me. My customers are my heroes. My customers are my thin blue line-- my customers and my associates and our drivers. And that's where my prosperity comes from.” -Chris 

  • “There is no state solution. There is no political solution left for this. The only solution is for you to stand up.” - Chris

    • “Take me to jail if you have to. But y'all only got so much jail capacity, so you can't get us all.” -Chris

    • You don’t need everyone’s approval

      • You only need enough people to keep you in business

    • If everyone opposes the bully, he has no power

      • We outnumber the government by so many

      • If we all say no and just keep doing what we want, what can they even do?

    • “The Bible doesn’t say, ‘Go get the state to love your neighbor.’” -Jacob

55:25 “The revolution will not be televised”

  • The people standing up against the government are not in the news

  • Ian Smith 

  • Idiocracy -- made in 2006

58:40 Closing thoughts

  • You cannot serve two masters… We all know who offered [Jesus] the kingdoms of the world. Satan did. So, you’re going to serve the kingdoms of the world. Are you going to serve the Kingdom of God? -Jacob

  • If we want to actually help people, stop sitting around waiting for the state to do it; go do it yourself. -Jacob

  • The state isn’t going to take those resources and do what you want them to do with them. They’re going to squander them. They’re going to take that power you gave them and hurt people. -Jacob