133. When the Church Looks Away: Chronic Illness, Faith, and the Call to Love with Claire Staples and Sarah Perry

What happens when the body of Christ forgets its own?

In this powerful episode of The Bad Roman Podcast, Claire Staples (The Clarity Podcast) and Sarah Perry (Voluntarism in Action) join host Craig Harguess for a conversation that exposes the gap between what churches preach—and how they treat the chronically ill. Drawing from their lived experiences within the LDS Church and broader Christian communities, they explore what it means to suffer in faith while being ignored by the very institutions meant to offer support.

Both women share how chronic illness is often not only misunderstood but actively stigmatized within religious settings. Instead of being met with compassion, those with long-term illnesses are often sidelined, silenced, or blamed for their own suffering. Their stories are a sobering look at how churches—particularly those entangled with state-aligned ideologies and cultural expectations—can lose sight of Christ’s command to care for "the least of these."

The Hidden Burden: When Suffering Meets Silence

Claire and Sarah’s experiences reveal a troubling pattern: while churches may rally around someone facing a temporary injury or illness, chronic conditions are another story.

• Church leaders suggested their illnesses were spiritual failures—evidence of insufficient faith or unrepented sin.

• Expectations to “perform” remained unchanged, even when health was failing.

• Requests for help were met with cold bureaucracy or outright neglect.

As Sarah put it: “People hear the word ‘disease’ and they lose it.” The fear of illness—and the discomfort it brings—often leads communities to withdraw rather than draw near.

These moments beg a difficult but necessary question: Are we building churches that reflect Christ, or churches that maintain appearances?

A Return to the Gospel’s Core

Rather than offering cynicism, this episode calls for renewal. Claire and Sarah ground their critiques not in bitterness, but in Scripture. They point to the life of Jesus and the stories that define what it truly means to follow Him:

• The Good Samaritan reminds us that love is inconvenient—and that holiness is shown in how we treat those others ignore.

• Jesus’ healing of lepers challenges the impulse to keep our hands clean when our neighbors are in pain.

• The story of Job warns against the human tendency to explain away suffering with judgment.

These biblical examples offer more than comfort—they offer a roadmap back to the kind of faith that moves toward people, not systems. As Claire noted, “We need to bring it back to basics, back to home and family. Then we would all know Jesus better.”

What the Church Can Do Better

The conversation also offers tangible steps for churches and individuals who want to support chronically ill members with more integrity and compassion:

• Educate congregations on the realities of chronic illness.

• Offer support that doesn’t hinge on a person’s ability to serve or attend.

• Resist the temptation to “fix” suffering with theology—start by listening.

• Build inclusive spaces that reflect the full diversity of the body of Christ.

Claire and Sarah challenge the tendency to outsource care—whether to medical institutions or church programs—and remind us that the call of Christ is personal. The Gospel is not a system; it is a way of being with one another.

Faith in the Midst of Pain

Perhaps the most transformative thread in this episode is the reimagining of suffering itself—not as a sign of divine punishment, but as a crucible that can deepen intimacy with Christ. Both guests reject the prosperity gospel’s promise of health as a sign of favor, and instead point to the promise of God’s presence through the valley.

Suffering doesn’t disqualify us from God's love—it draws us deeper into it.

As Claire shared, “I don’t think I would have fully understood what Jesus did for me on the cross if I hadn’t suffered horrendously at no fault of my own.”

This conversation is a challenge—and an invitation. A call to rethink what it means to be the Church. A reminder that faith is not proven by perfection, but by how we love one another through imperfection, weakness, and pain.

Connect With Our Guests:

Claire Staples – The Clarity Podcast

Claire shares faith-centered conversations on recovering from high-demand religion, chronic illness, and returning to Christ-centered living.

• Podcast: The Clarity Podcast on Spotify

• Instagram: @theclarity.podcast

• YouTube Channel: The Clarity Podcast on YouTube

• Website + Nonprofit: ChronicallyBeautifulLife.com

  • Learn more about the Chronically Care Project and donate or contribute to care packages for the chronically ill.

Sarah Perry – Voluntarism in Action

Sarah volunteers with VIA, a liberty-rooted nonprofit providing direct aid and resources to communities in need—without state involvement.

• Organization Website: viaction.org

• Instagram: @voluntarism_in_action

  • Support ongoing humanitarian campaigns (e.g. Gaza relief, Congo gardens, US seed kits)

  • Sign up to receive free spring gardening kits (US-only) to promote food sovereignty

• Blog: VIA’s website also features resources on mutual aid, self-sufficiency, and disaster relief.

Episode Timestamps:

(0:02) Introduction to the Bad Roman Podcast

• Guests Claire Staples and Sarah Perry join to discuss chronic illness and the church

• Previous Episode with Claire: From Mormon LDS to Freedom in Christ: Unveiling Lies in Medicine, Government, and Religion

• Previous Episode with Sarah: Christian Ethics and Stateless Societies: The Anarchist Approach of the Perry Family

(0:22) Exploring Christian Responsibility in Healthcare

• Discussion on whether Christians are doing enough for the sick

• Questioning the comfort with government management of healthcare for Christians

(0:45) Claire and Sarah's Background with Chronic Illness

• Both guests share experiences with chronic illness in the LDS (Mormon) Church

• Instances of being shunned or misunderstood due to their health conditions

(2:11) Claire's Nonprofit Work

• Introduction to the Chronically Care Project, supporting those with chronic illnesses

• Insights gained from working with chronically ill individuals globally

(4:30) Sarah's Experience with Chronic Illness and Church

• Growing up with vague symptoms in an abusive family

• Expectations and disappointments within the Mormon Church community

(7:41) Church Leadership Response to Illness

• Sarah's experience of being shunned by church leaders for being sick

• Discussion on the importance of temple recommends in Mormon culture

(12:07) Comparing Church Experiences to Cult Documentaries

• Craig draws parallels between the guests' experiences and cult-like behaviors

• Reflection on the control and hierarchy within religious organizations

(17:21) Cultural Influences on Church Attitudes Towards Illness

• How state and government attitudes infiltrate church culture regarding chronic illness

• Examples of church leaders' responses to requests for help and understanding

(25:48) The Role of Medical System in Church Attitudes

• Discussion on the church's reliance on mainstream medical systems

• Critique of outsourcing care to doctors instead of providing community support

(30:28) LDS Church's Relationship with Government and Healthcare

• Exploration of the church's investments in medical and pharmaceutical industries

• Comparison of church tithing to government taxation

(36:06) Scriptural Solutions for Caring for the Sick

• Analysis of the Good Samaritan parable and its relevance to chronic illness care

• Discussion on Jesus' treatment of lepers and its modern application

(49:33) The Book of Job and Suffering

• Interpretation of Job's story in relation to chronic illness and faith

• Exploration of spiritual warfare and demonic influences on attitudes towards suffering

(1:03:38) Why Bad Things Happen to Good People

• Discussion on God's role in suffering and the nature of a fallen world

• Personal story from Craig about his niece's cancer diagnosis

(1:12:26) God's Love and Community Support

• Reflection on God's nature as love and the importance of community in times of suffering

• Craig shares positive experiences of support for his niece

(1:15:11) Closing Thoughts and Resource Sharing

• Claire and Sarah share information about their projects and podcasts

• Encouragement for listeners to engage with resources for supporting the chronically ill

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108. God's Garden vs. Industrial Farming

About this Episode

When Michael from Copperhead Hill Farms traded his suburban lifestyle for the pastoral rhythms of farm life, he didn't expect a couple of gifted pigs to sow the seeds for a revolution in local farming. His tale is a testament to the power of community and self-sufficiency, a narrative we unpick throughout this episode. Unfolding Michael's evolution alongside the challenges and triumphs of establishing a farm with his wife, Carrie, our conversation is a clarion call to reconnect with our food sources and empower our communities through conscientious consumption.

We've all felt the pinch of regulations and red tape, but have you considered how it affects the tomato on your plate or the salsa in your jar? Our discussion takes a turn toward the limitations faced by those who dare to venture into local food production. It's a candid look at the struggles to maintain integrity and quality in our food systems, punctuated by heartening tales of community resilience and the practical magic of trading eggs for tomatoes. Join us as we challenge the status quo of convenience and champion a return to authentic, locally-sourced sustenance. 

Our journey wraps up with a look at the significance behind the rebranding of Copperhead Hill Farms and how it reflects the rebellious spirit akin to moonshiners of yore. Michael and I share our personal transformations, from ideology shifts to the empowering embrace of Christian pacifism and community-focused living. The episode is a rallying cry for listeners to find strength in like-minded communities and take a firm stance in their beliefs. Saddle up for an episode that promises to ignite your spirit of independence and leave you pondering the true cost of the food that graces your table.

Connect with Michael and Copperhead Hill Farms:

Copperhead Hill Farms Website

Copperhead Hill Farms Instagram

Copperhead Hill Farms Facebook

Episode Timestamps:

Timestamps:

02:12 Local Farming and Community Autonomy

• Discussing the transition to sustainable farming, from suburban to farm life, and its impact on community support and the environment.

• The role of community collaboration in successful sustainable farming.

• How adopting farming can improve personal health and lifestyle.

• The potential of local farming to rejuvenate local economies and ecosystems.

07:57 Barter-Based Economy and Legal Challenges

• Personal experiences of a barter economy and the legal issues faced by small-scale farmers.

• The history and modern relevance of barter-based economies in rural communities.

• Legal barriers and regulations impacting small-scale and local farming.

• Advocacy efforts and resources for overcoming legal challenges in local farming.

18:23 Importance of Local Food Sources

• The role of local farming in food security and the benefits of supporting local farmers.

• How local food sources reduce the carbon footprint associated with food transport.

• The positive impact of local food sources on the nutritional value and taste of food.

• Ways to identify and support local food sources in your area.

25:44 Challenges and Solutions for Local Farmers

• Discussion on the high costs of sustainable farming and the influence of consumer choices on local farms.

• Strategies for overcoming financial challenges in sustainable farming.

• The role of consumer awareness and education in supporting local farms.

• The potential of technology and innovation to address challenges in local farming.

33:13 Autonomy and State Control

• Independence from state interference in sustainable farming, examples of entrepreneurial success strategies to navigate state regulations.

• The importance of balancing state control and farmer autonomy for a sustainable agricultural sector.

• Success stories of farmers who have navigated state regulations to establish successful local farms.

• The role of local communities and organizations in advocating for farmer autonomy.

43:02 Significance of Farm Name Change

• Transition from Black Sheep Farmstead to Copperhead Hill Farms and its symbolic significance in personal farming story.

• The role of branding and storytelling in connecting with consumers and the local community.

• The importance of embracing change and evolution in the journey of sustainable farming.

• How a name change can signify a new phase or direction in a farmer's journey.

58:49 Personal Ideological Transition

• Journey from neoconservatism to Christian pacifism and its impact on local farming and community engagement.

• The influence of personal beliefs and ideologies on farming practices and community relations.

• The potential of farming to be a platform for expressing personal beliefs and values.

• How ideological shifts can lead to changes in farming practices and community engagement.

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