Women in the church

144. Half the Image of God: Women, Scripture & the Church

Are we silencing half the Body of Christ?

For centuries, churches have taught that men lead while women serve quietly in the background. But what if this isn’t God’s design at all? What if the church has been hobbling along on one leg, because we’ve sidelined half the image of God?

This is the heart of our latest Bad Roman conversation with biblical teacher Matt Mouzakis, who joins Craig to revisit the creation story, Paul’s letters, and the witness of the early church. Together, they ask: Did Jesus and the apostles intend women to lead, teach, and shepherd alongside men? Spoiler: the resurrection was first preached by women, and that was no accident.

The Genesis Misread

We’ve often heard that Eve was created from Adam’s “rib,” a secondary helper. But the Hebrew word tsēlāʿ is better translated as side, not rib (Exodus 25:12). Eve was not a spare part—she was Adam’s other half.

Likewise, ʿēzer kenegdo (often rendered “helper suitable”) is the same word used for God as Israel’s strong ally (Psalm 121). Far from denoting subordination, the text paints Adam and Eve as co-priests in Eden, tasked with stewarding creation together.

Paul in Context: 1 Timothy 2

One of the most-cited passages against women in ministry is 1 Timothy 2. But the Greek words tell a different story:

  • Epitrepo (commonly translated “permit”) is a situational allowance, not an eternal decree.

  • Authentein (usually rendered “exercise authority”) means to usurp or domineer, not healthy spiritual leadership.

In context, Paul was addressing a crisis of false teaching in Ephesus (1 Timothy 1:3–7), not issuing a permanent ban. His real command? “Let the women learn.” In the first-century world, that was radical.

The Corinthian Puzzle

Another stumbling block is 1 Corinthians 14:34–35, where Paul seems to demand women be silent. But some manuscripts omit these verses entirely, while others move them around — suggesting they may have been a marginal scribal note later copied into the text.

And even if we keep them, they cannot override Paul’s instructions in 1 Corinthians 11, where he expects women to pray and prophesy in the gathered assembly.

What “Headship” Really Means

When Paul says “the husband is the head of the wife,” he uses the Greek word kephalē. In English, “head” often implies boss. But in Greek, kephalē more commonly means source or lifeline.

If we read kephalē as hierarchy, we run into theological problems—because Paul also says “the head of Christ is God” (1 Cor 11:3). That doesn’t make the Son less divine. Instead, it emphasizes relationship and origin.

In Ephesians 5, Paul doubles down: Christ is the “savior of the body,” not its tyrant. Husbands are called to love their wives as Christ loved the church—through self-sacrifice, not domination.

Women Who Led Anyway

The witness of scripture itself contradicts the idea of silenced women:

The receipts are in the text—and in history.

Why This Matters (Kingdom over Empire)

If “No King but Christ” is more than a slogan, then His Kingdom must shape how we live and lead. Genesis 3’s “he will rule over you” was a diagnosis of the Fall, not God’s ideal. In Jesus, that curse is undone.

The church should be the first place where we refuse to sideline half the image of God.

3 Ways Churches Can Honor the Full Image of God

  1. Re-examine the texts honestly:  Stop proof-texting. Read passages like 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 in their cultural, linguistic, and historical context.

  2. Make space for women’s voicesa: From preaching to leadership, invite women to bring their Spirit-given gifts to the community—just as the early church did.

  3. Practice mutual submission: Ephesians 5:21 calls all believers to submit to one another. Build a culture of mutual service, not hierarchy.

Final Word

This isn’t about bending to culture, it’s about recovering God’s original design and Christ’s new creation.

So ask yourself: What might change in your church if women were seen not as assistants, but as co-laborers in Christ?

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Episode Timestamps:

(1:35) Complementarian vs. Egalitarian

  • Defining the two camps: different “roles” vs. shared authority

  • The history of the term “roles” (introduced only in the 1970s)

  • Why both sides appeal to scripture but often miss the context

(6:00) Craig’s Journey

  • Growing up taught that women must be subordinate

  • How years of study and the Bad Roman Project flipped his view

  • The resurrection moment: women as the first to proclaim the gospel (John 20, Matthew 28)

(14:00) Genesis Re-Read: Not a Rib, but a Side

  • The Hebrew tsēlāʿ (commonly translated “rib”) actually means “side” (Exodus 25:12)

  • Adam and Eve as two halves, not hierarchy

  • “Bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh” (Genesis 2:23)

(19:00) “Helper Suitable”: God as Ally

  • The Hebrew phrase ʿēzer kenegdo (often rendered “helper suitable”) is used of God Himself (Psalm 121)

    • Means “strong ally” or “partner alongside,” not assistant

  • Adam and Eve depicted as priests in Eden (Genesis 2:15)

(24:00) Genesis 3 and the Fall

  • “He will rule over you” as consequence of sin, not God’s design (Genesis 3:16)

  • New Creation in Christ breaks this curse (Galatians 3:28)

(26:24) 1 Timothy 2 in Context

  • False teachers in Ephesus (1 Timothy 1:3–7)

    • “I do not permit” (epitrepo, Greek for “allow/permit”) is situational, not eternal command

    • “I do not permit a woman to authentein (Greek verb, often translated ‘exercise authority’ but better understood as ‘domineer’ or ‘usurp’) a man”

  • Paul’s actual command: “Let the women learn”

(31:00) Students, Not Silenced

  • “Quietness and full submission” = posture of learning, not gag order

  • Paul encouraging women to be educated in a culture that denied them

(38:00) 1 Corinthians 14 and the “Silence” Verses

  • Some manuscripts don’t contain 1 Cor 14:34–35

  • Others place the verses in different spots (likely a scribal note)

  • Must be read alongside 1 Cor 11, where Paul expects women to pray and prophesy

(41:00) Headship: What Does “Head” Mean?

  • Kephalē (Greek word usually translated “head”) means source or lifeline, not “boss”

  • “The head of Christ is God” (1 Cor 11:3) — hierarchy here would break Trinitarian theology

  • Ephesians 5: Christ as savior of the body (care, not command)

(47:00) Husbands & Wives in Ephesians 5

(57:00) Women Leaders in Scripture

(1:09:00) Why This Matters to Matt

  • Scripture led him to change his view, not culture

  • Personal passion as a father of daughters and husband in ministry

  • The church can’t afford to silence half the image of God


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113. From Mormon LDS to Freedom in Christ: Unveiling Lies in Medicine, Government, and Religion

About this Episode

In this episode of the Bad Roman podcast, host Craig Harguess speaks with Claire Dalton, the host of the Clarity podcast. Claire shares her journey of leaving the LDS Church, her battle with chronic Lyme disease, and her views on the influence of government and institutional corruption. This episode explores faith, freedom, and the pursuit of truth, offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of these issues.

Claire begins by discussing her background, including her upbringing in Utah within the mainstream LDS Church. She delves into the cultural and religious environment she grew up in and the factors that led her to question and eventually leave the LDS Church. Claire also shares her professional experiences as a farmer, nonprofit president, and sales representative, explaining how these roles have shaped her perspectives and contributed to her current projects.

A significant portion of the conversation addresses common misconceptions about Mormonism, particularly the belief that polygamy is a central tenet of the faith. Claire provides historical context and evidence to challenge these mainstream LDS teachings, arguing that the original teachings of Joseph Smith did not endorse polygamy. She also highlights the experiences of those who leave the LDS Church to follow Christ, differentiating them from those who leave religion entirely, and discusses the importance of creating platforms to share their stories.

Claire's personal and family struggles with chronic Lyme disease are another focal point of the episode. She details the symptoms, misdiagnoses, and the long journey to finding the correct diagnosis for both herself and her mother. The conversation delves into the controversial origins of Lyme disease, including theories about government involvement and bioweapon experiments. Claire discusses the historical context, such as Operation Paperclip and the release of weaponized ticks, and criticizes the medical system for its inability to properly diagnose and treat chronic illnesses like Lyme disease. She shares her journey of seeking alternative treatments and emphasizes the importance of partnering with God for healing.

The episode also explores the influence of government and institutional corruption. Claire argues that government control has infiltrated numerous sectors, including the food industry, education, the medical system, and even religious institutions. She provides examples of how this corruption manifests and its effects on society. Claire argues that statism is inherently satanic, highlighting how government control contradicts Christian teachings and discussing the importance of recognizing and resisting this influence to live a life aligned with Christ's teachings.

Faith and freedom are central themes throughout the episode. Claire and Craig emphasize the significance of the message "No King but Christ" in contemporary Christianity, discussing how this principle guides their lives and the importance of prioritizing Christ over state and institutional allegiances. Claire shares her vision for creating authentic Christian communities that are not bound by traditional church structures, advocating for home churches and genuine fellowship centered around Christ's teachings.

Listeners will gain insights into the personal and spiritual challenges faced by those who leave the LDS Church and seek to follow Christ. They will learn about the controversial origins of Lyme disease, the failures of the medical system, and the importance of seeking alternative treatments. The episode also provides an understanding of the influence of government in various aspects of life and its implications for personal freedom and societal well-being. Finally, listeners will discover the importance of prioritizing Christ over state and institutional allegiances and the value of building authentic Christian communities.

This episode explores the intersections of faith, health, and societal structures, providing listeners with insights and encouraging them to question and explore their own beliefs and experiences. Claire's storytelling, combined with Craig's questions, makes this a valuable listen for anyone interested in the complexities of faith, freedom, and truth.

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Episode Timestamps:

Timestamps:

1:04 Guest Introduction

  • Claire Dalton shares her background: raised in Utah, former LDS member, farmer, nonprofit president, and sales representative.

  • Claire's journey from mainstream LDS to her current faith and projects.

2:22 Entanglement of Churches with the State

  • Discussion on how the events of 2020 revealed the deep entanglement of many churches with the state.

  • Claire's observations on the disillusionment of many Christians with their churches during this period.

1:41 Claire's Personal Journey

  • Claire's story of leaving the LDS church and starting her podcast.

  • The importance of sharing stories of those who leave the LDS church to follow Christ.

5:28 Misconceptions about Mormonism 

  • Claire addresses common misconceptions about Mormonism, including the belief that Joseph Smith practiced polygamy.

  • Historical evidence and personal beliefs that challenge mainstream LDS teachings on polygamy.

26:35 The Impact of Chronic Illness

  • Claire's personal and family experiences with chronic Lyme disease.

  • The political and controversial history of Lyme disease, including its origins and the government's role.

30:18 Critique of the Medical System

  • Discussion on the failures of the medical system to address chronic illnesses effectively.

  • The role of vaccines and other medical interventions in exacerbating health issues.

53:04 Statism and Its Influence

  • Claire and Craig discuss the pervasive influence of statism in various aspects of life, including food, education, and healthcare.

  • The idea that statism is inherently satanic and contrary to Christian teachings.

59:20 Closing Remarks

  • Seek the truth and question the systems they are part of

  • The importance of community and supporting those who are chronically ill or marginalized.

  • Craig and Claire reflect on the importance of living out Christian values authentically


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76. "What about Romans 13?" with Matt Mouzakis

About this Episode

Craig is joined by Matt Mouzakis, worship pastor and co-host of Expedition 44, a popular theology podcast where the ancient languages and context of the Bible are discussed. Matt is doing his doctorate in New Testament studies, specializing in the passages often cited by Christian statists when they want to defend strict obedience to the government.

Matt explains how words like submit (hypotassesthō), and concepts like paying taxes take on very different meanings when placed in their proper context. Read Romans 13 through the eyes of a first-century Jew, see it in a fresh new light, and be prepared to confound the next statist who asks you, "But what about Romans 13?".

In fact, the only one to whom people owe allegiance and should be under the authority of is Jesus Himself. When we desire to put another into power over ourselves and our neighbors, it is a sin because humans are not to have authority over one another.

Craig and Matt delve into those passages used against women in ministry. Again, we discover that read in the context of the time and in their original language, nothing suggests women are to be subject to men in God's kingdom. We find God's ideals at the beginning and end of the Bible, and that is God alone reigning over humanity.

Expedition 44:

YouTube

Website

Covenant Theological Seminary

Expedition 44 episode on Romans 13

Ryan's book: This is the Way

Episode Timestamps:

1:54 – Who is Matt Mouzakis?

  • Worship pastor at "Bapticostal" church

  • Father of 4

  • Theology geek doing Doctorate in New Testament

  • Co-host of Expedition 44 podcast with Dr Ryan (Head Chair of Biblical Studies at Covenant Theological Seminary

  • Expedition 44

    • Discuss the ancient context of the Bible

    • Salvation is a journey "expedition" 

    • The separatist ancient Essene community gave themselves the number 22

      • God doubles the portion, which is where the 44 comes from 

8:15 – The Church of Nationalism

  • American pastors don't speak against the entanglement of Christians and the state

    • Sometimes they advocate for candidates

    • The early church was outspoken against the Roman Empire

      • But it is glossed over these days

  • Churches seek power through the state now

  • There's no basis in the Bible for Christians to be seeking any power

    • We need no king but Christ

  • Politics comes into your theology

  • Some would say that representative government is different from serving another king

  • In the first two pages and last two pages of the Bible is where you find God's ideals

    • Everything in the middle is messed up

  • Humans are not to have authority over one another

    • Not even men over women

  • On the last page of the Bible, you see men and women under God's authority

    • That's God's ideal

    • That should inform our politics

  • We are ambassadors from another King

    • Our government has its own kingdom

  • The fall is the "defilement of all of creation"

    • There are multiple falls in the Old Testament

    • When people usurp God's authority, humans rule other humans

      • That is not a part of God's ideals

18:58 – Women in Ministry

  • A topic that is spoken about on Expedition 44

  • Women were the first to tell of Jesus' resurrection

    • The men were in hiding

  • Paul was very egalitarian

  • When we don't look at the Bible in context, it gets confusing

  • If Genesis 3 is reversed in Jesus, the church should reflect that

  • The local context of Paul telling women to be quiet was an all-women-led cult

  • Right before that, he tells the men off for being angry

    • None should have authority over others in the church

  • The women were trying to teach before they had learned

  • Greek tenses matter in better translation

  • Keith Giles's episode about women and the church

  • Women stayed at home and were less educated in Paul's day

    • Women were to learn but not interrupt the service

  • 1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 might be an error added to the text based on a scribble by a scribe

26:16 – Romans 13

  • The words "submit" and "obey" are two different words

  • Romans 13 is the go-to for opponents of "No King but Christ"

  • Romans 13 should be read in light of Romans 12

    • The chapter breaks weren't there originally

    • Romans chapters 12-16 should be read as a chunk

    • All the things that Jesus said about enemy love do not fit with Romans 13

  • Romans 13:1 & 5 Submit is hypotassesthō

    • Defined as voluntary yielding

  • Obey God is hupakouó

  • David Bently Heart – New Testament

    • It is necessary that we obey God rather than man

  • The Bible should be read as a whole

    • The whip that Jesus used was a common tool to heard animals

      • He didn't harm any people

      • He was angry at the extortion in the temple

  • The gospel spreads by word of mouth too

  • "Governing authorities"

    • A common expression for anyone with authority

      • Not necessarily government

    • The people of the day were in Rome

      • A place of multiple layers of governing 

      • Neighborhood watch role, rather than law enforcement

      • Rome wasn't taxed at the time when Romans was written

  • Romans 13:1 - exousia means evil powers

    • And appears in Ephesians 6:12

    • Paul understood demons controlled the empires

    • Jesus didn't rebuke Satan when he offered Him the kingdoms of the world

    • Deuteronomy 32 – Moses says God divided mankind and gave them to the sons of God

42:18 – Is voting a sin?

  • 1 Samuel 8

  • Craig has concluded that voting is a sin

    • Jesus said the gentiles lorded power over others, but we were not to be the same

    • God said it was not Samuel that was rejected, rather it was God Himself

      • Rejecting God is a sin

  • Sleeping is better than exercising power over others

  • Matt and Steve discussed whether or not Christians should vote

    • The desire to have a king is to reject God

    • Voting is the desire to put someone in power over ourselves and neighbors

      • Therefore, voting is a rejection of God


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