146. Christianity without Compromise: Jesus Centered Life, Not Left or Right with Jake Doberenz

When Christians step into the political arena, do we realize how much compromise it takes to stay there?

It’s easy to think that casting a vote, joining a campaign, or posting about “God and country” is just doing our civic duty. But what happens when the cross gets buried under a flag and we call that faithfulness?

In this episode of The Bad Roman Podcast, Craig Hargis sits down with Jake Doberenz, host of Christianity Without Compromise and writer of the Smashing Idols Substack, to unpack what happens when believers give their loyalty to Caesar and call it discipleship. From a rigged high-school election to the moral chaos of modern war, this conversation asks a dangerous question:

👉 Can you follow Jesus without compromise and still play the political game?

The Illusion of Influence: Why Our Votes Don’t Redeem the System

Jake shares a funny but revealing story from high school: helping count ballots in a student election that didn’t add up. The “safe” candidate won, even though the “popular” one clearly had more votes.

It’s small potatoes compared to Washington, D.C., but the lesson hit deep – politics is messy because power always corrupts. Even good intentions get swallowed up by systems built on ambition, control, and fear.

The same thing happens every election season in America. Christians line up behind the lesser of two evils and call it righteousness, forgetting that evil (lesser or not) is still evil. As Craig puts it:

“We’re outsourcing our sin to politicians and calling it stewardship.”

We tell ourselves that our guy will make a difference, that our vote “matters.” But as history and Scripture both show, when human power is the goal, the Kingdom always gets compromised.

Israel’s King Problem: A Warning from 1 Samuel 8

When Israel demanded a king, God warned them exactly what would happen:

“He will take your sons for his army, your daughters for his servants, your fields for his gain. You will cry out because of your king, but the Lord will not answer you.” (1 Samuel 8)

They wanted to be “like the nations.” They wanted the comfort of a visible ruler, something tangible they could trust. But a king, any king, always costs something. And as Jake points out, the story of David proves it.

David began as a humble man after God’s heart, refusing to kill Saul, honoring God above self. But the moment he put on the crown, the corruption began. Politics twisted even the best of men.

Sound familiar? We see it every election cycle. The promises start holy, the slogans sound moral, but once power hits the bloodstream, compromise follows.

The lesson is timeless: You can’t have a king and still claim “No King but Christ.”

Psalm 146: A Better Political Manifesto

If the modern church needs a political platform, Psalm 146 should be it:

“Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save… Blessed are those whose help is the God of Jacob.”

Politicians die. Policies change. Empires fall. But the Kingdom of God is consistent: feeding the hungry, freeing prisoners, lifting up the oppressed, and frustrating the wicked.

The psalmist describes God’s Kingdom as everything the state isn’t: compassionate instead of coercive, restorative instead of retaliatory, faithful instead of fickle.

When Christians defend injustice in the name of national interest, when we justify violence because it’s “our side” doing it, we aren’t advancing the Kingdom…we’re betraying it.

Romans 12 Before Romans 13

Jake makes a crucial point: never read Romans 13 before Romans 12.

Romans 12 tells us to bless our enemies, to overcome evil with good, and to refuse revenge. Then comes Romans 13, the chapter everyone loves to quote to justify obedience to government.

But if your reading of Romans 13 gives Caesar permission to do what Jesus forbids you to do, you’ve missed the point. The passage isn’t a loophole for Christians to fund or bless violence, it’s a reminder that God can use even corrupt governments for His purposes. It’s descriptive, not prescriptive.

The call remains the same: love your enemies, feed your enemies, pray for those who persecute you.

That’s the real revolution.

Consistency: The Most Radical Witness

Craig and Jake both circle back to one word: consistency.

It’s what made Jesus so magnetic. He didn’t just preach love of enemy, He practiced it, even as they nailed Him to a cross.

Consistency is what gives the gospel credibility. When Christians say “love your neighbor” but vote for leaders who bomb them, the world notices. When we preach peace but cheer for war, seekers walk away.

Jake shared a story of a friend who left the faith after watching Christians justify the slaughter in Gaza. “If this is Christianity,” he said, “I want nothing to do with it.”

That’s the cost of inconsistency. Not just hypocrisy, but lost souls.

Repentance and Reorientation

Repentance isn’t a guilt trip. It’s a direction change. As the Bible Project puts it, repentance means to turn around.

If your politics have hardened your heart, turn around.
If you’ve placed hope in princes and policies, turn around.
If you’ve excused violence because your side did it, turn around.

Refocus on the Sermon on the Mount. Build your life, and your worldview, on that mountain, not Capitol Hill.

A Different Kind of Politics

Neither Craig nor Jake are anti-political, they’re anti-idolatry. They believe in a Kingdom politics rooted in the Beatitudes, not ballots.

As Jake said:

“Jesus has a politics. But it looks nothing like America, or Uganda, or anywhere else on earth.”

The Kingdom of God is a government without coercion, a rule where the King dies for His enemies instead of killing them. That’s the politics of the Lamb.

It’s time for the church to recover it.

No King but Christ

When we call Jesus “King,” it’s not a metaphor. It’s an allegiance statement. It means nobody else gets to be king, not presidents, not pastors, not parties.

Craig sums it up perfectly:

“My allegiance is to Jesus. Not a president, not a senator, not a mayor. Jesus Christ alone.”

If that sounds radical, good. The early church was called radical too. Polycarp, Origen, and Tertullian all refused to worship the emperor. They were accused of being bad Romans.

Maybe that’s what faithfulness still looks like today.

Listen & Reflect

🎧 Listen to the full episode: Christianity without Compromise: Jesus Centered Life, Not Left or Right with Jake Doberenz, available on all major podcast platforms.

💬 Question for reflection:
If Jesus is King, what does that mean for how you engage with politics, power, and national identity?

📖 Scriptures to Revisit:
1 Samuel 8 | Psalm 146 | Matthew 5–7 | Romans 12–13

🤝Connect with Jake Doberenz:

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Introducing guest Jake Doberins

• Host of Christianity Without Compromise and author of Smashing Idols SubStack

• Exploring Christian involvement in politics and its real-world impact

(1:00) From “Smashing Idols” to “Christianity Without Compromise”

• Jake explains the podcast’s name change for clarity and focus

• Connection between his Substack and podcast projects

(2:26) Standing firm on the words of Jesus

• Discussing the need for consistency in following Christ’s teachings

• Rejecting political debates and distractions

(4:07) Jake’s background and calling

• Biblical Studies and Theological Studies degrees

• From church ministry to media ministry and podcast production

(8:00) Early political experience

• Jake’s role as Republican Club president in high school

• First-hand exposure to campaigns and local politics

(15:22) Wrestling with faith and politics

• Questioning whether political life aligns with Christian convictions

• Recognizing the temptation to compromise for success

(19:52) The cost of Christian political involvement

• Exploring how “outsourcing sin to Caesar” harms others

• Challenging Christians to see the damage caused by state loyalty

(24:12) Consistency as Christian witness

• Why inconsistency weakens the gospel message

• The power of living out “No King but Christ”

(28:51) 1 Samuel 8 and Israel’s demand for a king

• God’s warning about taxation, conscription, and oppression

• Parallels between ancient Israel and modern Christian nationalism

(32:00) Reading Romans 13 through Romans 12

• Understanding submission to government through enemy-love

• The Sermon on the Mount as the Christian’s true political manifesto

(35:35) The corrupting nature of power

• How King David’s downfall reveals the danger of authority

• Politics as a distraction from devotion to Jesus

(40:17) Psalm 146 — trusting God, not princes

• Contrast between human rulers and God’s faithfulness

• Reminder that only God’s Kingdom endures

(45:39) The mission behind Christianity Without Compromise

• Refocusing believers on Jesus over modern idols

• Addressing politics, Christian nationalism, and misplaced loyalties

(50:28) Encouragement for Christian creators

• Craig calls for more podcasts, blogs, and projects centered on Jesus

Importance of sharing the message: No King but Christ

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145. Charlie Kirk and the Lamb of God: Can You Carry the Flag and the Cross at the Same Time?

After Charlie Kirk’s tragic death, a deeper conversation has surfaced about the growing entanglement of Christianity and politics.

This episode of The Bad Roman Podcast steps into that tension and explores what happens when the Church trades the cross for a campaign.

Our guest, Brian Drinkwine, is a pastor and church planter who has walked that road himself. He went from a passionate political believer to a follower of Christ learning to question the marriage between faith and power. His viral post about Charlie Kirk’s memorial service sparked a national conversation and revealed how uneasy many Christians feel about the blending of faith and political ideology.

The Malaise of Modern Christianity

There is a growing discomfort in the Church, a spiritual restlessness that Brian calls malaise. Many believers sense that something is wrong, even if they cannot explain it.

This episode gives language to that unease and helps people who feel out of place in modern Christianity find words for what they feel.

“You’re not crazy,” Brian says to those who feel out of step. “You saw this and thought, something’s not right. You chose to give your allegiance to Jesus alone. That should be celebrated, not condemned.”

That is the heartbeat of The Bad Roman: No King but Christ.

It is not a slogan but a return to the simplicity and power of early Christianity.

The Danger of Political Allegiance

One of the clearest insights from this conversation is that political parties often act like religions.

Each one has its own sacred texts, rituals, and values. For some, the Constitution becomes scripture. Voting becomes a sacrament. Party leaders become prophets.

When Christians give their ultimate loyalty to these political “religions,” they risk betraying the Kingdom of God.

“We cannot serve both God and Mammon,” Brian reminds us. “And sometimes, political power becomes the new Mammon.”

This is not theory. It is a call to honest reflection.
Have we allowed our politics to shape our faith more than the teachings of Jesus?

Reframing Faith and Politics

Throughout the episode, Brian and Craig invite listeners to rethink what it means to follow Jesus in a politically divided world.

1. Patriotism vs. Nationalism: It is good to appreciate your country. But when love of nation becomes ultimate loyalty, it becomes idolatry.

2. The Narrow Path: Following Jesus is not about finding middle ground. It is about choosing a completely different way. The Kingdom of God is not found on the right or the left. It is found on the narrow road of Christ.

3. Repentance as Revolution: The word metanoia means a complete change of mind. It is not about guilt but about turning back to Jesus as King.

4. The Power of Forgiveness: The difference between Erica Kirk’s forgiveness and the calls for revenge at the memorial shows what Kingdom love really looks like.

Practical Steps for Realignment

If your faith feels tangled up in politics, Brian offers a few ways to begin untangling it.

• Take a “politics fast.” Step away from political media and spend time in the Gospels instead.

• Simplify your faith. Start again with the basics, like the Sermon on the Mount.

• Check your allegiances. Ask yourself, “If loving others like Jesus meant losing my party loyalty, could I do it?”

• Speak prophetically. True patriotism tells the truth, even when it is uncomfortable.

What This Teaches Us About Faith and Politics

This conversation is a mirror for all of us who have ever mixed our love for Jesus with our loyalty to empire. It reminds us that our mission is not political victory but faithfulness to Christ.

In a world divided by tribalism, allegiance to Jesus is the most countercultural thing we can offer.

“On the other side of my political allegiance,” Brian says, “when I gave that up and fully gave myself to Jesus, it is just a better life.”

So where does your allegiance really lie?
Are you ready to walk away from the noise and return to the way of Jesus?

The Kingdom still calls.

No King but Christ.

🤝Connect with Brian Drinkwine:

• Email: brian@briandrinkwine.com

• Website: https://briandrinkwine.com/

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• Ministry at Breakthrough Church

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Discussing reactions to Charlie Kirk's death

• Brian Drinkwine joins to discuss varied reactions to Kirk's passing

• Read Brains post here

• Examining potential blurred lines due to nationalism

• Questioning if some churches have lost focus on "no king but Jesus"

(0:48) Brian Drinkwine's background

• Grew up in Nashville, Tennessee in independent fundamental Baptist tradition

• Transitioned to Southern Baptist church and found faith at youth camp

• Experience in youth ministry and church planting

(4:09) The viral post about Charlie Kirk

• Origin of Drinkwine's post addressing the tragedy

• Unexpected widespread response and impact

• Dealing with the flood of messages and notifications

(10:45) Addressing the church's response

• Preparing a message to bring the congregation together

• Importance of uniting around Jesus rather than political parties

• Transcribing and adapting the message for social media

(23:52) Reflections on the memorial service

• Conflicting emotions during Charlie Kirk's memorial

• Redeeming moments and problematic statements

• Struggle with nationalistic undertones in Christian spaces

(29:19) The danger of political allegiance

• Exploring the concept of allegiance in faith and politics

• Matthew Bates' book "Salvation by Allegiance Alone"

• Warning against getting sucked back into allegiance to empire

(35:32) Early church perspective on empire

• Examining how early Christians responded to empire

• Importance of studying church fathers like Tertullian

• Unpopularity of this view in mainstream churches

(41:34) The malaise in modern Christianity

• Growing sense of unease among followers of Jesus

• Need to return to Jesus as the solution

• Importance of simplifying faith and focusing on basic teachings

(54:46) Christian nationalism and its impact

• Difference between patriotism and nationalism

• Danger of giving full allegiance to political parties

• Need for a prophetic voice while appreciating one's country

(1:06:56) Tools for self-reflection

• Developing a breakdown of political parties and Jesus as rival religions

• Creating a 10-point checklist for assessing political engagement

• Importance of distinguishing between political identity and identity in Christ

(1:17:34) Conclusion and future discussions

• Potential follow-up episode on political parties and Jesus as religions

• Invitation for listeners to engage in dialogue

• Plans for online community discussions on these issues

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144. Half the Image of God: Women, Scripture & the Church

Are we silencing half the Body of Christ?

For centuries, churches have taught that men lead while women serve quietly in the background. But what if this isn’t God’s design at all? What if the church has been hobbling along on one leg, because we’ve sidelined half the image of God?

This is the heart of our latest Bad Roman conversation with biblical teacher Matt Mouzakis, who joins Craig to revisit the creation story, Paul’s letters, and the witness of the early church. Together, they ask: Did Jesus and the apostles intend women to lead, teach, and shepherd alongside men? Spoiler: the resurrection was first preached by women, and that was no accident.

The Genesis Misread

We’ve often heard that Eve was created from Adam’s “rib,” a secondary helper. But the Hebrew word tsēlāʿ is better translated as side, not rib (Exodus 25:12). Eve was not a spare part—she was Adam’s other half.

Likewise, ʿēzer kenegdo (often rendered “helper suitable”) is the same word used for God as Israel’s strong ally (Psalm 121). Far from denoting subordination, the text paints Adam and Eve as co-priests in Eden, tasked with stewarding creation together.

Paul in Context: 1 Timothy 2

One of the most-cited passages against women in ministry is 1 Timothy 2. But the Greek words tell a different story:

• Epitrepo (commonly translated “permit”) is a situational allowance, not an eternal decree.

• Authentein (usually rendered “exercise authority”) means to usurp or domineer, not healthy spiritual leadership.

In context, Paul was addressing a crisis of false teaching in Ephesus (1 Timothy 1:3–7), not issuing a permanent ban. His real command? “Let the women learn.” In the first-century world, that was radical.

The Corinthian Puzzle

Another stumbling block is 1 Corinthians 14:34–35, where Paul seems to demand women be silent. But some manuscripts omit these verses entirely, while others move them around — suggesting they may have been a marginal scribal note later copied into the text.

And even if we keep them, they cannot override Paul’s instructions in 1 Corinthians 11, where he expects women to pray and prophesy in the gathered assembly.

What “Headship” Really Means

When Paul says “the husband is the head of the wife,” he uses the Greek word kephalē. In English, “head” often implies boss. But in Greek, kephalē more commonly means source or lifeline.

If we read kephalē as hierarchy, we run into theological problems—because Paul also says “the head of Christ is God” (1 Cor 11:3). That doesn’t make the Son less divine. Instead, it emphasizes relationship and origin.

In Ephesians 5, Paul doubles down: Christ is the “savior of the body,” not its tyrant. Husbands are called to love their wives as Christ loved the church—through self-sacrifice, not domination.

Women Who Led Anyway

The witness of scripture itself contradicts the idea of silenced women:

• Junia, “outstanding among the apostles” (Romans 16:7)

• Priscilla, who taught Apollos (Acts 18:26)

• Phoebe, deacon, patron, and first carrier of Romans (Romans 16:1–2)

• Deborah, prophet and judge (Judges 4–5)

• Huldah, prophet consulted by King Josiah (2 Kings 22)

The receipts are in the text—and in history.

Why This Matters (Kingdom over Empire)

If “No King but Christ” is more than a slogan, then His Kingdom must shape how we live and lead. Genesis 3’s “he will rule over you” was a diagnosis of the Fall, not God’s ideal. In Jesus, that curse is undone.

The church should be the first place where we refuse to sideline half the image of God.

3 Ways Churches Can Honor the Full Image of God

1. Re-examine the texts honestly:  Stop proof-texting. Read passages like 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 in their cultural, linguistic, and historical context.

2. Make space for women’s voicesa: From preaching to leadership, invite women to bring their Spirit-given gifts to the community—just as the early church did.

3. Practice mutual submission: Ephesians 5:21 calls all believers to submit to one another. Build a culture of mutual service, not hierarchy.

Final Word

This isn’t about bending to culture, it’s about recovering God’s original design and Christ’s new creation.

So ask yourself: What might change in your church if women were seen not as assistants, but as co-laborers in Christ?

🤝Connect with Matt Mouzakis:

• Email: matt@expedition44.com

• Book: Principalities, Powers and Allegiances 

• Previous Episodes with Matt:

  • "What about Romans 13?"

  • From Eden to Empire: Deuteronomy 32 & Christ’s Nature with Matt Mouzakis (Part 1)

  • From Eden to Empire: First Peter's Insights (Part 2)

  • From Eden to Empire: Romans 13 Line by Line (Part 3)

  • The Beasts and the Lamb of Revelation: From Eden to Empire (Part 4)

  • Jesus as King: Rediscovering the True Translation of "Christ" with Duncan Palmer and Matt Mouzakis (EP 139)

• Expedition 44 podcast:

  • Website: expedition44.com

  • Co-hosted by Matt Mouzakis and Dr. Will Ryan

Episode Timestamps:

(1:35) Complementarian vs. Egalitarian

• Defining the two camps: different “roles” vs. shared authority

• The history of the term “roles” (introduced only in the 1970s)

• Why both sides appeal to scripture but often miss the context

(6:00) Craig’s Journey

• Growing up taught that women must be subordinate

• How years of study and the Bad Roman Project flipped his view

• The resurrection moment: women as the first to proclaim the gospel (John 20, Matthew 28)

(14:00) Genesis Re-Read: Not a Rib, but a Side

• The Hebrew tsēlāʿ (commonly translated “rib”) actually means “side” (Exodus 25:12)

• Adam and Eve as two halves, not hierarchy

• “Bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh” (Genesis 2:23)

(19:00) “Helper Suitable”: God as Ally

• The Hebrew phrase ʿēzer kenegdo (often rendered “helper suitable”) is used of God Himself (Psalm 121)

• Means “strong ally” or “partner alongside,” not assistant

• Adam and Eve depicted as priests in Eden (Genesis 2:15)

(24:00) Genesis 3 and the Fall

• “He will rule over you” as consequence of sin, not God’s design (Genesis 3:16)

• New Creation in Christ breaks this curse (Galatians 3:28)

(26:24) 1 Timothy 2 in Context

• False teachers in Ephesus (1 Timothy 1:3–7)

• “I do not permit” (epitrepo, Greek for “allow/permit”) is situational, not eternal command

• “I do not permit a woman to authentein (Greek verb, often translated ‘exercise authority’ but better understood as ‘domineer’ or ‘usurp’) a man”

• Paul’s actual command: “Let the women learn”

(31:00) Students, Not Silenced

• “Quietness and full submission” = posture of learning, not gag order

• Paul encouraging women to be educated in a culture that denied them

(38:00) 1 Corinthians 14 and the “Silence” Verses

• Some manuscripts don’t contain 1 Cor 14:34–35

• Others place the verses in different spots (likely a scribal note)

• Must be read alongside 1 Cor 11, where Paul expects women to pray and prophesy

(41:00) Headship: What Does “Head” Mean?

• Kephalē (Greek word usually translated “head”) means source or lifeline, not “boss”

• “The head of Christ is God” (1 Cor 11:3) — hierarchy here would break Trinitarian theology

• Ephesians 5: Christ as savior of the body (care, not command)

(47:00) Husbands & Wives in Ephesians 5

• Mutual submission (Ephesians 5:21)

• Jerome noted “submit” was added later in v.22

• Husbands called to love as Christ loved (self-sacrificial service)

(57:00) Women Leaders in Scripture

• Junia, “outstanding among the apostles” (Romans 16:7)

• Priscilla, teaching Apollos (Acts 18:26)

• Phoebe, deacon and patron, carrier of Romans

• Deborah (Judges 4–5), prophet and judge of Israel

• Huldah (2 Kings 22), prophet consulted by King Josiah

(1:09:00) Why This Matters to Matt

• Scripture led him to change his view, not culture

• Personal passion as a father of daughters and husband in ministry

• The church can’t afford to silence half the image of God

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143. Christians, Libertarians, and Voting: The Golden Rule Test

Are you unknowingly supporting tyranny every time you cast a ballot? This provocative question lies at the heart of our latest Bad Roman podcast episode featuring Jeb Smith, a thought-provoking writer challenging conventional wisdom on voting.

Christians, libertarians, or those who identify as both, often assume our civic duty includes heading to the polls. But what if participating in elections actually contradicts our core values? Let’s explore why voting might be fundamentally at odds with both Christian teachings and libertarian principles.

The Paradox of Voting

Jeb Smith argues that voting creates an inherent contradiction for both libertarians and Christians:

“If libertarianism is a live and let live attitude... voting is of course, the opposite of that. If libertarians get to that magic 51% and force their ways on everyone else, you’re no longer allowing Democrats and Republicans to have their way.”

This highlights a key tension: how can we claim to value individual liberty while simultaneously trying to impose our will on others through the ballot box?

For Christians, a similar dilemma emerges:

“God does not impose his way on us. He gives us the chance to choose him as Lord.”

That’s consistent with scripture:

• Matthew 7:12 – “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”

• Luke 22:25–26 – “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them… But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves.”

By voting to enact laws that align with our religious beliefs or choosing the lesser of two evils, are we not contradicting this core tenet of free will and Jesus’ call to serve rather than rule?

The Corrupting Nature of Political Power

Our discussion revealed how the very act of seeking political office often attracts individuals with troubling personality traits:

“The traits to make a successful politician are right on with what psychopaths are. There’s a large percentage of politicians and business owners… who are actually psychopaths.”

This sobering reality forces us to question whether participating in such a system aligns with our values. Are we inadvertently empowering those least suited to wield authority over others?

Reframing Our Civic Engagement

Rather than viewing voting as our primary means of effecting change, Jeb suggests a radical shift in perspective:

“One thing I won’t be doing is voting or attempting to force my way on others. Instead, I will follow the Golden Rule and treat others the way I want them to treat me.”

This approach challenges us to find more direct, personal ways of living out our values and influencing our communities. It asks us to lead by example rather than coercion.

3 Ways Christians Can Engage Without Voting

Stepping away from the ballot box doesn’t mean apathy — it can actually free us to pursue more Christlike, effective forms of engagement:

1. Invest in Relationships

• Instead of dividing over red vs. blue, break bread with neighbors across the spectrum.

• Real conversations build bridges where political shouting matches burn them.

2. Serve in Voluntary Community Initiatives

• Join or start projects that meet needs without waiting for government programs — food co-ops, mutual aid, church-led charity.

• This models the early church in Acts 2:44–45.

3. Teach and Model the Alternative

• Share resources that explain why voting contradicts both the Golden Rule and libertarian non-aggression.

• Encourage others to question whether the ballot box truly aligns with Christ’s way of peace.

For more on how the early church lived differently from the empire, see our episode on Tertullian and political disengagement and our blog post on No King but Christ.

What We Learned About Voting and Values

This episode challenges us to critically examine our assumptions about civic duty and political engagement. It asks us to consider whether our current methods of participation truly align with our deepest held beliefs.

For Christians, it prompts reflection on how we can best emulate Christ’s example of servant leadership and respect for individual choice. For libertarians, it pushes us to more fully embrace the non-aggression principle — even when it comes to the ballot box.

Ultimately, this conversation invites us all to reimagine what responsible citizenship looks like in a world where voting may do more harm than good. It challenges us to find more authentic, impactful ways of living out our values and contributing to the betterment of society.

Listen to the full episode to explore: how might stepping away from voting change your approach to civic engagement? What new opportunities for positive influence might emerge?

Let’s continue this crucial dialogue and work toward a more voluntary, compassionate society one that truly respects the dignity and autonomy of every individual.

🤝Connect with JEB SMITH:

• Jeb's Books:

  • Defending the Middle Ages: Little Known Truths About the Crusades, Inquisitions, Medieval Women, and More

  • Missing Monarchy: Correcting Misconceptions About The Middle Ages, Medieval Kingship, Democracy, And Liberty

  • The Road Goes Ever On and On : A New Perspective on J. R. R. Tolkien and Middle-earth

  • Defending Dixieland

• Fanmail and Hate mail via email: jackson18611096@gmail.com

• Jeb's Article: Is Libertarianism Consistent with Voting?

Episode Timestamps:

(0:41) Libertarianism and Voting Consistency

• “Live and let live” vs. majority rule

• Concern: Christians voting to place rulers over neighbors

(1:51) Guest Update: Jeb Smith’s Recent Work

• Defending Dixie’s Land reissued by Shotwell Publishing
  Articles with Libertarian Institute and Libertarian Christian Institute

(2:50) Libertarian Voting Paradox

• Why informed libertarians still vote

• Habit, protest voting, and misunderstandings of libertarian philosophy

(4:04) Historical Voting Patterns and Motivations

• Jeb’s past protest votes (Libertarian)

• Reflection: voting often unexamined as a social default

(5:43) Libertarian Electoral Success and Philosophical Consistency

• If Libertarians won: risk of imposing on dissenting minorities

• Tension with non-aggression and consent

(7:34) Voting as Legitimizing Corrupt Systems

• Withholding participation vs. “lesser of two evils”

• Note on turnout; argument for withdrawing support

(9:40) The Nature of Political Power and Authority

• Critique: democratic “authority” without true consent

• Coercion mechanisms: taxation, enforcement, military

(12:07) Fear and Coercion in State Power

• Fear as unifying tool of large states
  Thought experiment: local secession and central pushback

(14:37) Christian and Libertarian Approaches to Governance

• “Make the state Christian/libertarian” still relies on force

• Emphasis on consent and free will

(19:06) Democracy and Bullying

• Framing: democracy as tax-funded coercion

• Politics alters behavior; hardens attitudes

(22:23) Political Involvement and Dehumanization

• Media demonization cycles

• Immigration/ICE example raised as moral test of neighbor-love

(27:01) Disengagement from Politics

• Unplugging from news → lower stress, clearer thinking

• Better interpersonal relationships

(30:28) Voting as Participation in War

• Casting a ballot likened to joining a conflict of control

• Incompatibility with libertarian non-aggression and Jesus’ kingdom ethic

(34:10) Secularization of Christianity through Politics

• Enforcing faith via state power vs. Christ’s model of service/consent

• Biblical concern: another “king” between us and neighbor

(36:16) The Corrupting Nature of Political Power

• Campaign incentives: compromise and ambition

• Preference for servant leadership over power-seeking

(40:08) Psychopathy in Politics and Business

• Claim: politics attracts control-oriented personalities

• Risk: concentrated power amplifies harm

(42:29) The Golden Rule and Political Non-Participation

• Jeb’s stance: no voting; no forcing others

• Reported outcomes: improved relationships; reduced stress

(47:54) Additional Resources and Contact Information

• Books noted; open invite for dialogue

• Direction to further critiques of democracy

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142. Stateless Psalms: Songs for Liberty with Ancap Tim

In a world where faith and politics are often tangled together, it’s rare to find conversations that cut through the noise and ask hard questions. That’s exactly what happened in this episode of The Bad Roman Podcast, where Craig sat down with musician and self-proclaimed Christian anarchist, Ancap Tim.

This episode wasn’t just about politics or protest music. It was about peeling back layers of cultural conditioning and asking one bold question: Are we following Christ, or are we just obeying the empire?

From Republican Loyalty to Radical Discipleship

Tim’s story might sound familiar at first. He grew up in a typical evangelical Christian home, voted Republican without question, and even had George W. Bush’s face on his 18th birthday cake. (Yes, really.)

But over time, cracks started to form. As he wrestled with what he believed and why, especially after encountering voices like Ron Paul and Tom Woods, Tim began to question not just politics, but the systems behind them. Eventually, those questions led him to a surprising place: Christian anarchism.

The Power Behind the Flag

One of the most powerful moments in the episode came when Tim broke down how the state claims moral authority:

“When a government is formed and authority is given to this magical force with their magic flag and magic song, they can go and kill people with immunity.”

If you’ve grown up pledging allegiance and voting every election cycle, this might feel uncomfortable. But discomfort isn’t always bad. Tim’s point is clear: the state claims powers that directly contradict Christ’s teachings. And far too often, Christians go along with it.

Challenging the God-and-Country Narrative

In many American churches, patriotism and faith are treated like one and the same. But as Tim pointed out, that pairing can quickly become idolatry:

“Let’s cheer on the war machine every time there’s a war. If you don’t support the military, then you’re not a real Christian almost. They won’t say that, but some would.”

It's worth asking: when churches wave the flag higher than the cross, what message are we sending?

A Return to Early Church Simplicity

At the heart of this conversation is a return to something older and simpler. Tim puts it this way:

“We don’t play with politics. We don’t vote. We don’t do any of that stuff. We just follow Jesus. We already have a king, the best king in the world.”

This isn't about disengaging from the world. It’s about living differently inside of it. Just like the early church, Christian anarchists seek to embody Christ’s kingdom, not prop up Caesar’s.

What Does Christian Anarchism Look Like in Practice?

If this sounds radical, it’s meant to. But it’s also deeply practical. Here are a few takeaways from the episode for anyone curious about living out this perspective:

1. Question authority (even when it wears a cross or waves a flag).

2. Reject violence in all forms, even when it’s sanctioned by the state.

3. Invest in real community through direct action and mutual care.

4. Keep your eyes on the Kingdom by placing Christ above any political allegiance.

Tim’s music, including his album The State’s Just a Mafia, puts these values into sound. From critique to hope, each track carries the same message: there’s a better way, and it starts with Christ alone.

Rethinking Citizenship, One Conversation at a Time

This episode reminded us that Christian anarchism isn’t about chaos or rebellion for rebellion’s sake. It’s about realignment. It's about refusing to confuse empire with righteousness, and choosing to live in a way that reflects Jesus—not just in belief, but in practice.

So here’s the challenge: take a moment and ask yourself what you’ve always believed about faith, politics, and power. Where did those beliefs come from? Who benefits when you hold onto them?

If you're willing to wrestle with those questions, you're in the right place.

🎧 Listen to the full episode to hear the full story, and check out Tim’s music under Ancap Tim on all major streaming platforms.

And remember: sometimes being a good Christian means being a bad Roman.

🤝Connect with Ancap Tim:

• Website: https://ancaptim.crd.co/

• Apple Music

• Spotify

• YouTube

• Amazon Music

• Instagram

• Facebook

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Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Guest Introduction: Musician Ancap Tim

• Tim's journey to Christian anarchism

• Using music to express political and religious views

(2:06) Tim's Background and Journey

• Raised in a typical evangelical Christian home

• Initially, a die-hard Republican supporter

• Shift in perspective after exposure to Ron Paul's ideas

(5:02) Evolution of Political Views

• Transition from Republican to libertarian thinking

• Disillusionment with the political system and voting

(7:50) Reconciling Christianity and Anarchism

• Influence of Bad Roman Podcast and alternative interpretations of scripture

• Challenging traditional evangelical views on government

(10:27) Conversation with a Baptist Pastor

• Craig's encounter at a farmer's market

• Introducing the concept of "no king but Christ" to traditional church leaders

(12:52) Tim's Musical Journey

• Experience touring with Christian band Avery Road

• Observations on church dynamics and financial struggles in music ministry

(15:15) Critique of Modern Christianity

• Discussion on the corporate nature of some churches

• Importance of genuine Christian community and love

(20:37) Universal Restoration and Doctrinal Differences

• Tim's perspective as a "hopeful universalist"

• Critique of doctrinal arguments within Christianity

(23:56) Tim's New Album: "The State's Just a Mafia"

• Album structure and themes

• Intentional placement of "No King But Christ" as the final track

(36:35) Album Cover Design

• Description of the album artwork

• Use of AI and human artists in the design process

(47:55) Tim's Music Style and Future Plans

• Description of Tim's musical style as a mix of folk, country, and alt-rock

• Potential plans for future albums

(49:34) Where to Find Tim's Music

• Available on major streaming platforms

• Physical copies (CDs and vinyl) available through Elastic Stage

(52:38) Conclusion and Support

• Encouragement to subscribe, rate, and share the podcast

• Information on donations to local charities in Memphis, Tennessee

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141. What Gardening Taught Us About Freedom, Faith, and Community with Corey Ellerbe

What if growing a tomato could change your life?

Okay, maybe that sounds dramatic. But as we learned in our latest episode of The Bad Roman Podcast, planting that first seed might be the beginning of something much deeper, something that touches your spirit, strengthens your community, and helps you step away from systems that don’t serve you.

We sat down with Corey Ellerbe to talk about his gardening journey, how it started, what it’s become, and why it might just be one of the most quietly revolutionary things you can do right now.

From Tomatoes to Food Forests: How It All Started

“I started with just a few tomatoes,” Corey says, “and now I’m dreaming of food forests and agroforestry systems.”

That’s the thing with gardening, it often starts small. A pot of basil on the windowsill. A raised bed in the backyard. Then one day, you’re talking about companion planting, composting, and building systems that can sustain generations.

But Corey’s story is bigger than just a growing love for plants. Like many of us, 2020 shook something loose. The fragility of supply chains, the limits of store shelves, the creeping feeling that we might be more dependent than we want to admit. That was a wake-up call. And gardening became a way to take back a bit of control—and to reconnect with something real.

Why Gardening Matters Right Now

We’re more disconnected from our food than ever. Most of us don’t know where our groceries came from, how they were grown, or what systems were involved in getting them to us. Gardening changes that. It brings you back to your roots—literally and spiritually.

But it also opens up bigger questions:

• What would it look like to produce food locally again?

• How can we depend less on centralized systems that often fail us?

• Can growing food be a form of peaceful resistance?

Corey says yes. And we think he’s onto something.

Key Takeaways from the Conversation

🌱 Start Small—But Start

Corey’s advice for beginners? Don’t try to do everything at once.

“Even if it’s just herbs in a pot,” he says, “that’s a start. And every expert gardener started as a beginner.”

You don’t need land or a greenhouse to begin. Just start with what you’ve got and build from there.

🌾 Gardening as a Quiet Revolution

Gardening doesn’t seem political. But it can be. Choosing to grow your own food instead of buying into industrial ag systems is a step toward independence.

“It’s about rendering the state obsolete through market action,” Corey explains, tying the philosophy back to agorism and voluntaryism. You're not just growing food. You're reclaiming your autonomy.

🤝 Grow Food, Grow Community

One of the most beautiful parts of gardening? It brings people together. Whether you’re trading tomatoes at a local farmers’ market, swapping seeds with neighbors, or helping someone start their first raised bed (these actions build bonds).

“We’re not meant to be totally self-sufficient,” Corey reminds us. “We’re created for community.”

It’s a reminder that self-sufficiency doesn’t have to mean isolation. In fact, the most resilient communities are the ones that grow together.

✝️ Gardening as Worship

For Corey, gardening is also a spiritual practice.

“Watching how everything works together, the soil, the pollinators, the weather, it’s incredible,” he says. “It shows the beauty of God’s design.”

Tending a garden becomes an act of stewardship. It’s a way of caring for creation and slowing down enough to notice the small miracles around us.

Practical Tips for Getting Started

Whether you’re in a city apartment or have a few acres, here’s what Corey suggests:

• Know your zone. It’s not everything, but understanding your climate will help you pick plants that thrive where you are.

• Work with nature. Instead of spraying chemicals, learn about beneficial insects and natural pest control.

• Try stuff. Some things will die. Some will surprise you. Gardening is one big experiment.

• Talk to local gardeners. Your neighbors (and local nurseries) often have the best advice for your area.

Final Thoughts: What Will You Plant?

This conversation reminded us that gardening isn’t just about food. It’s about slowing down, looking around, and choosing to live differently. It’s about getting your hands dirty, yes, but also getting your soul fed.

So whether you’re dreaming of chickens and food forests, or just wondering if you could keep a basil plant alive, this episode is for you.

Here’s how to keep growing:

• 🎧 Listen to the full episode with Corey Ellerbe.

• 📺 Check out Corey’s YouTube channel, Old 37 Homestead, for how-tos and inspiration.

• 🌱 Plant one thing. Just one. And see what grows from there.

Every garden starts with a seed. What will you plant today?

🤝Connect with Corey:

• Old 37 Homestead: Corey Ellerbe's YouTube channel

Episode Timestamps:

(0:44) Gardening and Agrism Discussion

• Importance of self-sufficiency and reduced reliance on the state

• Introduction of guest Corey Ellerbe and his YouTube channel Old 37 Homestead

(1:01) Background on Corey's Gardening Experience

• Living in Central Florida

• Initial interest in gardening as a teenager

• Starting gardening after marriage on an acre of land

(3:38) Craig's Gardening Journey

• Recent start in gardening with pepper plants

• Challenges with bugs and plant care

(6:46) Gardening Advice from Corey

• Working with nature rather than against it

• Importance of natural predators in pest control

• Regional gardening considerations

(13:39) Corey's Gardening Philosophy

• Focus on agroforestry and food forests

• Adapting to Florida's unique climate and soil conditions

(25:04) Gardening as a Way to Subvert the State

• Discussion on self-sufficiency and community building

• Comparison to historical examples like the fall of the USSR

(45:35) Gardening and Relationship with Christ

• Corey's perspective on God's design in nature

• Observations on synergy in natural systems

(54:55) Old 37 Homestead YouTube Channel

• Overview of Corey's approach to content creation

• Focus on real-life gardening experiences and challenges

(1:06:27) Advice for New Gardeners

• Starting small and not overwhelming yourself

• Importance of regional-specific gardening knowledge

(1:15:07) Gardening Zones and Regional Considerations

• Explanation of gardening zones and their significance

• Adapting plants to different climates

(1:19:39) Closing Thoughts

• Encouragement for listeners to explore gardening

• Importance of community and self-sufficiency

Episode Resources:

1. David the Good: Gardening author and blogger specializing in Southeast/Florida gardening

2. freedomcells.org: Website for connecting with like-minded individuals for community building

3. Stefan Verstappen: Survivalism and prepping expert

4. Curtis Stone: Agorist anarchist gardener from West Canada

5. Sal the Agorist (Sal Mayweather): Advocate for using markets to subvert the state

6. USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map: Tool for determining gardening zones based on zip code

7. Farmer's markets: Suggested as a great place to learn about regional gardening and find local produce

8. Vermicomposting: Method of using worms for composting

9. Agroforestry and food forest systems: Gardening approaches mentioned by Corey

10. Pigeon pea: Plant example given for perennial food production

11. Hatsune Miku: Mentioned as an example of a virtual pop star (tangential to main discussion)

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140. From Fox News to Faith with Patrick Green

Have you ever felt like your political beliefs were holding you back from truly following Christ? Many Christians struggle to reconcile their faith with their allegiance to earthly governments. In this eye-opening episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, host Craig Harguess sits down with Patrick Green to explore his transformative journey from state worship to embracing the radical message of "No King But Christ."

A Tale of Two Kingdoms

Patrick's story is a powerful reminder that we all start somewhere on our spiritual journeys. Like many Americans, he once placed his trust in political solutions and government institutions:

"At my worst, I couldn't wait to get home from work to turn on Sean Hannity and have him tell me how we were going to save America from the evil Democrats. That's just how lost I was at that point in my life."

Does this resonate with you? Many of us have been caught up in the fervor of partisan politics, believing that if we just elect the right people or pass the right laws, everything will be better. But as Patrick discovered, this mindset often leads us away from Christ rather than towards Him.

The Turning Point

For Patrick, several key realizations shattered his faith in earthly governments:

• Reading libertarian authors like Lysander Spooner and Murray Rothbard exposed the true nature of the state.

• Studying the public school system revealed the inherent conflict of interest in state-run education.

• Examining the Pledge of Allegiance through a Biblical lens highlighted its idolatrous nature.

But the most profound shift came through reading Scripture with fresh eyes. Patrick shares:

"When I read 1st Samuel 8 for the first time, I was instantly cured of any and all remnants of worshiping the government in politics. Whatever was left of that idol was completely smashed."

This passage, where the Israelites demand a king despite God's warnings, speaks powerfully to our modern idolatry of the state. It challenges us to examine where we've placed our ultimate allegiance.

Embracing a New Identity

As Patrick's eyes were opened to the truth of "No King But Christ," he experienced a radical transformation:

• He no longer sees political opponents as enemies, but as fellow image-bearers of God.

• He's replacing symbols of state worship (like patriotic tattoos) with reminders of his allegiance to Christ.

• His hope for change is now rooted in the Gospel, not political action.

This shift didn't happen overnight. It took years of patient conversations, personal tragedy, and deep engagement with Scripture. But the result is a faith that's more vibrant, more Christ-centered, and more aligned with the Kingdom of God.

Challenges and Practical Advice

If you're feeling convicted about your own relationship to earthly governments, Patrick's story offers some valuable insights:

1. Be patient with yourself and others. Deconstructing deeply held beliefs takes time.

2. Dive deep into Scripture, especially passages that challenge our assumptions about power and authority.

3. Seek out mentors and resources that can help you navigate this journey.

4. Remember that our ultimate citizenship is in heaven, not any earthly nation.

What We Learned About Following Christ in a Political World

Patrick's testimony is a powerful reminder that Jesus calls us to a radically different kind of kingdom. Here are the key takeaways:

• Our allegiance to Christ should supersede any loyalty to earthly governments or political ideologies.

• The Bible offers a profound critique of human power structures that's as relevant today as it was thousands of years ago.

• True freedom and transformation come from submitting to Christ as our only King, not from political solutions.

Are you ready to examine your own beliefs about faith and politics? I encourage you to listen to the full episode for even more insights. And if you have your own story of moving from state worship to "No King But Christ," we'd love to hear it. Share your thoughts in the comments or reach out to us directly.

Remember, our call is to be in the world but not of it. Let's challenge ourselves to live as citizens of God's kingdom first and foremost, trusting in His sovereignty above all earthly powers.

🤝Connect with Patrick:

• Podcast: Spotify, Apple, more!

• Email: 100foldtestimonies@gmail.com

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Guest Introduction: Patrick Green

• Host of One Hundred-Fold Testimonies podcast

• Focus on Patrick's journey from statism to "no king but Christ" understanding

(0:58) Patrick's Background and Testimony

• Grew up in Catholic Church, attended Catholic schools

• Lukewarm faith and lack of understanding of the gospel message

• Three phases of salvation: breaking down barriers, personal tragedy, receiving the Word

(7:26) Political Idolatry and Awakening

• Patrick's past obsession with politics and government

• Reading libertarian books by Lysander Spooner and Murray Rothbard

• Realizing the true nature of government and the state

(8:28) Overcoming Evolution as a Barrier to Faith

• Impact of Lee Strobel's "The Case for a Creator"

• Discovering scientific support for Christianity

(10:31) Personal Tragedy and Faith Journey

• Experience of multiple miscarriages

• Struggle with anger towards God and feelings of despair

(18:55) Turning to Scripture

• Reading the entire Bible for the first time in 2021

• Impact of 1 Samuel 8 on understanding government and allegiance

(26:37) Lessons from Biblical Parables

• Parable of the laborers in the vineyard

• Softening judgmental attitudes towards others

(38:55) Transformation and New Perspective

• Rejecting political "teams" and embracing fellow humanity

• Understanding deception and seeking truth in Jesus

(41:16) Secular Awakening

• Questioning public school system and government education

• Rethinking the Pledge of Allegiance and national identity

(52:48) Comfort and Government Dependence

• Discussion on people's reluctance to let go of government "care"

• Critique of 24-hour news cycles and political polarization

(56:13) Both Sides of Politics

• Realizing similarities between political parties

• Marketing different brands of politics to divided populace

(59:04) Conclusion and Podcast Information

• Introduction to Patrick's new podcast: 100 Fold Testimonies

• Call for listeners to share their Christian testimonies

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139. Jesus as King: Rediscovering the True Translation of "Christ" with Duncan Palmer and Matt Mouzakis

Jesus the King: Redefining Our Understanding of Christ's Authority

Have you ever considered the profound impact of a single word? In the realm of biblical translation, one word can reshape our entire understanding of Jesus' role in our lives and the world. This episode of the Bad Roman Podcast delves into a revolutionary perspective on how we view Jesus Christ, challenging us to reconsider our approach to faith, politics, and our place in God's kingdom.

The Power of Translation

When we read the Bible, we often take the words at face value, rarely questioning the choices made by translators. But what if a crucial term has been consistently mistranslated, obscuring a fundamental truth about Jesus' identity?

Duncan Palmer, a self-described "Bible curmudgeon," shares a startling revelation:

The word 'Christ' is not even an English word, it's a Greek word. And nobody knows what it means. Very few people out there really know what it means.

This insight opens up a world of misunderstanding that has shaped Christian theology and practice for centuries. The term "Christ," which we often use as a surname for Jesus, actually means "anointed one" or, more precisely, "king."

Reimagining Jesus as King

Imagine if every time you read "Jesus Christ" in the Bible, you instead read "King Jesus" or "Jesus the King." How would this shift your perception of His authority and your relationship to Him?

Matt Mouzakis, co-host of Expedition 44, emphasizes the importance of this perspective:

If we started saying Jesus the King instead of Jesus the Christ, would it change how we approach others when it comes to politics?

This simple change in terminology has the power to revolutionize how Christians engage with the world around them, particularly in the realm of politics and governance.

The Kingdom of God vs. Earthly Kingdoms

One of the most striking implications of recognizing Jesus as King is the stark contrast it draws between His kingdom and the kingdoms of this world. Duncan Palmer puts it bluntly:

Every politician is an antichrist. They are a substitute king. They are replacing Jesus in our minds and hearts.

This challenging statement forces us to reconsider our allegiances and priorities. If Jesus is truly our King, how can we justify pledging allegiance to earthly rulers or placing our hope in political systems?

Matt Mouzakis adds depth to this perspective by referencing the work of political scientist Neel Isaiah:

He outlines three different approaches to Christians in the world: Christianism (essentially Christian nationalism), separationism, and prophetic witness.

The concept of "prophetic witness" emerges as a compelling alternative to both political engagement and complete withdrawal from society. It calls Christians to live in the world while maintaining a distinct identity and message, speaking truth to power from the margins rather than seeking to dominate from the top.

Practical Implications for Christian Living

Recognizing Jesus as King isn't just a theological exercise—it has profound implications for how we live our lives:

1. Redefining allegiance: Our primary loyalty is to Jesus, not to any earthly government or leader.

2. Rethinking political engagement: Instead of trying to "transform" secular institutions, we focus on building God's kingdom through love and service.

3. Embracing a counter-cultural lifestyle: We're called to live differently, embodying the upside-down values of God's kingdom.

4. Speaking prophetically: We have a responsibility to critique unjust systems and point to God's better way.

As Duncan Palmer reminds us:

We don't pledge allegiance to these fakes and substitutes. We pledge our allegiance to Jesus as King. Follow him only as King.

What We Learned About Jesus' Kingship

This episode challenges us to radically reorient our understanding of Jesus and our place in the world. By recognizing Him as our true King, we're called to:

• Question our assumptions about the role of government and our participation in it.

• Reevaluate our translations and interpretations of Scripture.

• Live as ambassadors of God's kingdom, distinct from the systems of this world.

• Speak truth to power from a place of humility and service.

The implications of this shift in perspective are far-reaching and potentially transformative for both individual believers and the church as a whole.

Are you ready to see Jesus in a new light? To embrace His kingship not just in theory, but in practice? The challenge is clear: to live as citizens of God's kingdom first and foremost, allowing that allegiance to shape every aspect of our lives.

To dive deeper into these revolutionary ideas, you can listen to the full episode of the Bad Roman Podcast wherever podcasts are found. And for further exploration, check out Matt Mouzakis's new book, "Principalities, Powers and Allegiances," available on Amazon, which delves into these themes in greater detail.

Let's embrace the radical truth of Jesus' kingship and allow it to transform how we engage with the world around us. After all, as Christians, we are called to follow Christ, not the state. It's time to live that truth boldly.

🤝Connect with OUR Guests:

1. Matt Mouzakis'

• New Book: Principalities, Powers and Allegiances - available on Amazon

  1. Previous Episodes wth Matt:

     • "What about Romans 13?"

     • From Eden to Empire: Deuteronomy 32 & Christ’s Nature with Matt Mouzakis (Part 1)

     • From Eden to Empire: First Peter's Insights (Part 2)

     • From Eden to Empire: Romans 13 Line by Line (Part 3)

     • The Beasts and the Lamb of Revelation: From Eden to Empire (Part 4)

• Expedition 44 podcast:

• Website: expedition44.com

• Co-hosted by Matt Mouzakis and Dr. Will Ryan 

2. Duncan Palmer

• Duncan’s Writings 

• https://peakd.com/a/@creatr/b

• https://ecency.com/a/@creatr/b

• The Curmudgeon's Bible series

• Duncan’s Christian Library series

• Email: duncan@sharefreely.com

• Previous Episodes with Duncan Palmer:

  • Tyrants be Gone with Duncan Palmer

  • Translating the Bible – Is the Greek Right?

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Discussing Jesus as King vs. Christ

• Duncan Palmer and Matt Mouzakis return to explore the meaning of "Christ"

• Consideration of how viewing Jesus as King might change political perspectives

(1:04) Duncan Palmer's return and personal anecdotes

• Craig and Duncan reminisce about Duncan's visit to Memphis

• Discussion of Craig's homemade salsa and its varying heat levels

(3:05) Matt Mouzakis’s return and book announcement

• Matt's new book "Principalities, Powers and Allegiances" is introduced

• Book's success on Amazon and forward by Brian Zahn

(7:45) Greek translation issues and Bible interpretation

• Duncan's frustration with modern Bible translations

• Importance of understanding historical context in Bible interpretation

(13:22) Duncan's epiphany about the word "Christ"

• Realization that "Christ" means "King" in Greek

• Impact of translating "Christ" as "King" in Bible reading

(19:41) Antichrist as replacement for Christ

• Discussion of the Greek prefix "anti" meaning replacement or substitute

• Every politician as an "antichrist" by replacing Jesus as king

(22:58) Personal experiences with "King Jesus" terminology

• Matt shares stories of explaining "Christ" meaning "King" to others

• Challenges faced when emphasizing Jesus as King in church settings

(50:20) Exploring the concept of Jesus as King

• Duncan and Matt discuss the implications of viewing Jesus as King

• Critique of Christian nationalism and hierarchical church structures

(1:04:43) The church as God's method of ruling

• Matt explains how God rules through spiritual gifts, not hierarchy

• Comparison to body parts working together without hierarchy

(1:14:26) Call to recognize Jesus as the true King

• Duncan emphasizes Jesus' right to rule as Creator

• Encouragement to pledge allegiance to Jesus, not earthly rulers

(1:19:40) Closing thoughts and resource recommendations

• Matt and Duncan share final reflections on Jesus as King

• Promotion of Expedition 44 podcast and Duncan's writings

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138. The Anatomy of the Statist: Unmasking the Mindset Behind Government Support with Patrick Carroll

Ever wondered why some people cling so tightly to the idea of government, even when faced with its glaring flaws? In this episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, we dive deep into the psychology of statism with Patrick Carroll, a brilliant thinker and writer who's been challenging the status quo for years.

Carroll's insights are like a splash of cold water to the face of conventional wisdom. He doesn't just critique government supporters – he dissects their motivations with surgical precision. And trust us, what he reveals will make you question everything you thought you knew about politics and society.

The Statist's Playbook: 10 Characteristics You Need to Know

Carroll breaks down the statist mindset into 10 distinct characteristics. It's like he's giving us a field guide to spot government supporters in the wild. But here's the kicker – it's not about judging them. It's about understanding why they think the way they do, so we can have more productive conversations and maybe, just maybe, change some minds.

1. The Humanitarian: The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions

You know that friend who's always talking about how we need more government programs to help the poor? That's the humanitarian statist. Their heart's in the right place, but their solution is all wrong.

Carroll nails it when he says:

"The humanitarian impulse is great. Obviously, I also care about helping people. But I think it's important when we're trying to address why someone is pro-government to wrestle with the fact that they have a really compelling reason in their mind."

Here's the thing – we all want to help people. But using government force to do it? That's like trying to perform surgery with a sledgehammer. It might get the job done, but at what cost?

2. The Egalitarian: When Equality Becomes Tyranny

Ever heard someone say, "It's not fair that some people have so much more than others"? That's the egalitarian statist talking. They see inequality as inherently unjust and think the government should level the playing field.

But as Carroll points out:

"Even if we agree that maybe there's some value in creating a certain amount of equality in society, is that something that we should be coercing?"

It's a tough pill to swallow, but sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. Forced equality often leads to less prosperity for everyone.

3. The Paternalist: Big Brother Knows Best

This one's a doozy. The paternalist statist thinks they know what's best for you better than you do. They're the ones pushing for laws to ban "dangerous" foods or regulate every aspect of your life "for your own good."

Carroll hits the nail on the head:

"It's this very kind of self-righteous attitude of 'I know best, or you know, the government, us and our experts know best and don't worry, we're just going to take care of you.'"

Newsflash: Adults don't need a nanny state. We're capable of making our own decisions, thank you very much.

4. The Special Interest Group Member: Looking Out for Number One

This statist is all about using government power to benefit their group. Whether it's farmers lobbying for subsidies or corporations pushing for regulations that crush their competition, it's all about gaming the system.

Carroll doesn't pull any punches:

"It’s like you're telling me that you're willing to forcibly coerce other people purely so that you can financially benefit. How is that different from a thief going up to a guy in the street and holding a gun and saying, give me your wallet?"

Ouch. But he's not wrong. Using government force to line your own pockets is theft with extra steps.

5. The Risk Mitigator: Safety at Any Cost

Gun control advocates often fall into this category. They're so focused on reducing risk that they're willing to sacrifice freedom in the process.

Carroll offers a brilliant reframe:

"We live in a dangerous world, and that sucks. And definitely, I believe in systems like insurance to mitigate risk. I think mitigating risk is important. But we shouldn't be coercing people into mitigating risks."

Safety is important, but at what point does the cure become worse than the disease?

6. The Utilitarian: The Greatest Good for the Greatest Number?

This statist believes in maximizing social welfare through government intervention. They talk about "market failures" and think the state can fix them.

Carroll's skepticism is spot-on:

"I really question whether we can do any objective kind of social welfare calculations... And so I'm very skeptical of this idea that we can measure social welfare, let alone have the government come in and optimize it."

Even if you could measure social welfare, does that justify using force to achieve it?

7. The Theocrat: Legislating Morality, Putting more “Christians” in Office

Some statists, especially in religious circles, believe it's their duty to use government power to enforce moral or religious values.

Carroll offers a powerful counterargument:

"Is it really Christian to force morality on people? I totally understand the drive, but I would encourage Christians to really study the Bible and look at this."

Forcing virtue at gunpoint isn't virtuous at all.

8. The Resigned Follower: It's Just the Way Things Are

This statist has given up. They might agree with libertarian principles in theory, but they think a voluntary society is impossible.

Carroll's response is inspiring:

"I don't share that pessimism... I think we just need to look at history to have faith in the market."

Just because something hasn't been done yet doesn't mean it's impossible.

9. The Megalomaniac: Power for Power's Sake

Some people just love having power over others. It's a sad reality, but these statists exist.

Carroll's advice is simple:

"I think we just need to gang up on those people and tell them no, like, sorry, you're not going to get your way and you're not going to use us as pawns."

No elaboration needed. Power-hungry individuals have no place in a free society.

10. The Intolerant: The Heart of Statism

This is the core of the statist mentality. All the other characteristics boil down to this:

"At the end of the day, the conclusion is, I am going to be intolerant of you living your life as you see fit. I'm going to force you to comply with my value system and my personal beliefs. And that is something that every statist shares by definition."

It's a harsh truth, but an important one. Statism, at its core, is about forcing others to live according to your values. It's not about left vs. right. It's about whether you're willing to use force to make others live the way you think they should.

What We Learned About the Statist Mindset

This episode is a wake-up call. It challenges us to examine our own beliefs about government and ask some tough questions:

• Are we truly tolerant if we support using force to make others live as we think they should?

• Can we achieve our goals of helping others and creating a better society without resorting to government coercion?

• Are we willing to apply the same moral standards to government actions that we apply to individuals?

The answers might make you uncomfortable. But that discomfort is the first step towards a more consistent and ethical worldview.

Ready to have your mind blown? Listen to the full episode and prepare to see the world in a whole new light. And remember – questioning the status quo isn't just rebellious. It's necessary for a free and just society.

🤝Connect with Patrick:

• Blog

• Facebook Page

• Twitter (X), 

• The Prudent Navigator (website/blog)

• Read Patrick’s Mises Institute Articles

• Read or Listen to The Anatomy of a Statist article

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Patrick Carroll returns to discuss "The Anatomy of the Statist"

• Exploration of the Statist mentality and its challenges

• Previous appearances on episodes 16 and 55

• Episode 16: If You Vote You Can’t Complain

• Episode 55: Is Taxation Slavery?

(0:58) Patrick's recent work and philosophical journey

• Managing editor at Foundation for Economic Education

• Focus on economics, policy, and libertarian philosophy

• Influence of thinkers like Nietzsche, Rothbard, and classical liberals

(4:17) Discussion on Patrick's writing style and approach

• Larken Rose on the Bad Roman

• Episode 83: The Cult of Statism 

• Episode 91: Breaking Down the Jones Plantation

• Episode 134: Immigration and Christian Values: Challenging the Border Fetish Brigade

• Emphasis on direct, matter-of-fact communication

• Importance of consistency in thinking and living out principles

(5:47) The appeal of libertarian philosophy

• Internal consistency and principled approach

• Rejection of exceptions to moral principles

(7:45) Breaking the framing of political conversations

• Libertarianism as a refreshing alternative to left-right dichotomy

• Questioning cultural assumptions about government

(10:37) The Anatomy of the Statist: 10 characteristics

• Humanitarian impulse and its relation to statism

• Egalitarian motivations for government intervention

(17:47) The utilitarian perspective on government

• Market failure arguments and social welfare calculations

• Skepticism towards government optimization of social welfare

(23:17) The theocrat and Christian involvement in politics

• Critique of using government to enforce Christian morality

• Biblical perspective on non-interference and servant leadership

(31:41) The risk mitigator and government regulation

• Gun control as an example of risk mitigation through legislation

• Alternative approaches to risk management without coercion

(53:57) The megalomaniac and power dynamics of government

• Addressing those who seek power for its own sake

• Importance of resisting authoritarian tendencies

(56:24) The heart of the statist: intolerance

• Common thread of compelling others to live by one's values

• Contrast with libertarian principles of live and let live

(59:52) Taxation as theft: beyond metaphor

• Clarifying the libertarian position on taxation

• Ethical implications of equating taxation with common theft

(1:03:43) Free market principles and conservative inconsistencies

• Critique of tariffs and government regulation

• Importance of genuine free market understanding

(1:05:31) Conclusion and resources

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137. Render Unto God: Challenging Church-State Entanglement

Render Unto Caesar: Unmasking the True Meaning Behind Jesus' Words

How many times have we heard the scripture "render unto Caesar" used to defend entanglement with the state? It's a common argument, but one that completely misses the point of Jesus' teaching. In this eye-opening episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, Craig sat down with Zachary Gomez to explore the real meaning behind this often misused scripture and its profound implications for how Christians should view their relationship to earthly governments.

The Trap of Misinterpretation

Zachary kicked off the discussion by highlighting a crucial detail many overlook - the context of Jesus' words:

“They were trying to trap him. And in context, you know, they were people under an oppressive Roman government. While they may have initially thought they were going to receive some benefit from the system, they now came to realize that it wasn't all it was meant to be.”

This context completely changes how we should understand Jesus' response. He wasn't giving a blanket endorsement of paying taxes or submitting to state authority. He was deftly avoiding a trap while making a much deeper point about where our ultimate allegiance should lie.

The Idolatry of Statism

As they dug deeper, Zachary made a powerful observation about the root issue behind misusing this scripture:

“The idolatry of statism is the real reason people say that render unto Caesar meant that we should pay taxes. That false church system has led people astray into this idolatry.”

This cuts to the heart of the matter. When Christians use "render unto Caesar" to justify entanglement with the state, they reveal a fundamental misunderstanding of where their citizenship truly lies. As followers of Christ, our primary allegiance is to His kingdom, not earthly governments.

Reframing Our Understanding

So how should we interpret Jesus' words? Zachary offered this perspective:

“He was saying, is this your God? Are you made in the image of Caesar or in the image of God? So, you know, that's why they went away amazed in some sense because he totally outwitted them.”

Rather than a command to submit to state authority, Jesus was challenging his listeners to examine where their true loyalty lay. He was drawing a stark contrast between the kingdom of God and the kingdoms of this world.

The Gospel as a Political Declaration

One of the most paradigm-shifting insights Zachary shared was about the nature of the gospel itself:

“The word gospel is a political declaration of a conquering king and his kingdom. And the people in Jesus' day would have understood that in their Greek understanding.”

This reframes how we should view the entire message of Jesus. It wasn't just about personal salvation, but about the establishment of an alternative kingdom that stands in opposition to worldly power structures.

Practical Implications

So what does this mean for Christians today? Zachary emphasized the need for a radical reorientation:

“The gospel is an explicitly political message and it does not allow for dual citizenship. Jesus said, you cannot serve two masters.”

This challenges us to seriously examine our entanglement with the state and political systems. Are we truly living as citizens of God's kingdom, or have we compromised by trying to have one foot in each world?

Making the State Obsolete

Perhaps the most revolutionary idea discussed was how Christians could render the state irrelevant through radical obedience to Christ's teachings:

“If Christians would seek the kingdom in exclusivity and do business with one another, trusting in God alone for our welfare, and participating by fulfilling our roles in his kingdom and government, by loving and serving like him, then we make the state obsolete.”

Imagine the transformation that could occur if believers truly embraced this vision! By living out the values of God's kingdom - love, service, generosity - we could create communities that make the coercive power of the state unnecessary.

What We Learned About Kingdom Living

The conversation with Zachary Gomez challenged some deeply ingrained assumptions about how Christians should relate to earthly governments. Here are the key takeaways:

1. The "render unto Caesar" passage is not a blanket endorsement of state authority, but a challenge to examine our ultimate loyalty.

2. The gospel itself is a political declaration about the establishment of God's kingdom.

3. We cannot serve two masters - our citizenship is either in God's kingdom or the kingdoms of this world.

4. By fully embracing kingdom living, Christians can create communities that make the state obsolete.

5. This requires a radical reorientation of how we view our role in society and our relationships with others.

Listen to the full episode for an even deeper dive into these transformative ideas. As you do, ask yourself: Am I truly living as a citizen of God's kingdom, or have I compromised by trying to have dual citizenship? The answer to that question could radically change how you engage with the world around you

Connect with Zachary:

• Abolish Human Archism: Website recommended for further exploration of Christian anarchist ideas.

• Leaving Egypt Ministries: An anarchist Christian page promoting anti-statist gospel messages.

• X: @LeavingEgyptMin

• Website: leavingegyptministries.com

• Zachary Gomez on social media:

• Facebook: Zachary Gomez

• Instagram: @goodnews_zach

Episode Timestamps:

(1:29) Zachary Gomez's Background

• Originally from Austin, Texas, now in Nashville

• Theology degree from Oral Roberts University

• Runs a home maintenance business

(3:41) The Church's Entanglement with the State

• Contrast between early church and modern church practices

• Bad Roman Project's focus on recognizing state entanglement as contrary to Jesus' teachings

(5:24) The False Dichotomy of Right and Left Politics

• Discussion on the similarity of behavior across political spectrums

• Lack of self-awareness among statists

(7:50) Misinterpretation of Jesus' Teachings

• Examples of Christians misunderstanding Jesus' stance on law and government

• Importance of taking Jesus' words seriously

(9:19) Analyzing the "Render unto Caesar" Passage

• Full context of Matthew 22:15-22

• Jesus' response as a clever evasion of a trap

(15:03) The Meaning Behind Jesus' Response

• Coin as a representation of idolatry

• Jesus challenging the Pharisees' true allegiance

(19:01) Modern Parallels to Caesar Worship

• Government seen as the source for meeting needs

• Conflict between serving God and serving the state

(22:42) The True Gospel and Its Political Nature

• Gospel as a political declaration of Jesus' kingship

• Incompatibility of dual citizenship in God's kingdom and earthly kingdoms

(28:34) The Solution: Seeking God's Kingdom

• Living out the true gospel in community

• Making the state obsolete through Christian love and service

(38:03) The False Church System and Idolatry

• Dream analogy of the abusive husband as false church

• Christians' hesitancy to leave familiar but harmful systems

(46:55) Practical Steps for Living Out the Kingdom

• Importance of meeting neighbors and building community

• Examples of serving others without expectation of payment

(1:07:28) Conclusion and Resources

• Leaving Egypt Ministries and other recommended resources

• Encouragement to live distinctively as Christians

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136. Critical Thinking in the Age of Government Control with Jeffrey Hann

The Fallacious Belief in Government: Unmasking the Illusion of State Control

Are you ready to challenge everything you thought you knew about government and freedom? In this eye-opening episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, we dive deep into the heart of statism with author and researcher Jeffrey Hann. His latest book, The Fallacious Belief in Government: Warp Speed Toward Tyranny, exposes the dangerous myths we've been fed about the necessity of state control.

As we unpack the layers of government deception, you'll discover:

• Why critical thinking is deliberately suppressed in public education.

• How psychological operations keep us trapped in a cycle of fear and obedience.

• The true nature of government as a tool of control over the innocent.

• Why voting can't save us from the inevitable march toward tyranny.

• How embracing anarchist principles could be our path to genuine freedom.

Prepare to have your assumptions challenged and your perspective transformed. This isn't just another political discussion – it's a wake-up call for anyone who values true liberty.

The Critical Thinking Crisis

What if our education system is deliberately designed to create "literacy slaves" – people smart enough to work, but not equipped to think critically about the world around them? Jeffrey breaks down how the classical trivium and Prussian education models have shaped generations of minds:

"You have the classical trivium that really creates literacy slaves that are smart enough to work, but not smart enough to think for themselves. The another model that the US picked up was the Prussian education system. The Prussian education system was designed by the Prussians after their military and mercenaries lost against Napoleon. And their parliament decided and determined that it was because soldiers were thinking for themselves."

This systematic suppression of independent thought isn't an accident – it's a feature of the system designed to maintain control. By understanding the three pillars of critical thinking – grammar, logic, and rhetoric – we can begin to break free from this mental prison.

The Psychological Warfare Playbook

Government control goes far beyond the classroom. Jeffrey exposes the insidious world of psychological operations (psyops) used to manipulate public perception and behavior:

"And if you're unaware of that, it just seeps in and it causes a psychological effect so that you struggle at trying to make real informed decisions, making you easier to control and manipulate."

From manufactured crises to carefully crafted narratives, these tactics keep us in a constant state of fear and compliance. By recognizing these strategies, we can start to see through the illusion and reclaim our mental autonomy.

The True Nature of Government

From democracy to tyranny - is it inevitable? Hann walks us through Plato's five regimes and why he thinks we're headed for a fall. 

At its core, Jeffrey argues that government is nothing more than "a tool or action of control over the innocent." This fundamental truth challenges the very foundation of what most people believe about the role of the state in society:

"The true nature of government is tyrannical… just looking at the word government itself, it's a tool or action of control over the innocent. And I always classify that. ‘Over the innocent’ is why it makes it tyrannical because that, if you're being controlled and you haven't committed a crime, created a victim, then your rights are being violated."

This perspective forces us to confront uncomfortable questions about the legitimacy of state power and the true meaning of concepts like "law" and "justice."

The Illusion of Political Solutions

If you're pinning your hopes on the next election to solve society's problems, Jeffrey has a sobering message:

"There's no voting our way out of it. Tyranny is just gonna progress further and further. Trump and Musk are implementing Agenda 2030 and ushering in the Great Reset."

He argues that the political system itself is designed to perpetuate control, regardless of which party or individual is in power. This cycle of tyranny can't be broken through conventional means – it requires a fundamental shift in how we think about governance and freedom.

Embracing Anarchist Principles

So what's the alternative? Jeffrey advocates for a form of anarchism based on voluntary interactions and respect for natural rights:

"Anarchism is a system or practice of no rulers, voluntary action and absence of government over the innocent, based on natural rights, life, freedom and property. That is the, the most succinct definition I can provide of what anarchy is and that there's no middle ground."

This isn't about chaos or disorder – it's about creating systems that respect individual autonomy while allowing for voluntary cooperation. It's a radical reimagining of how society could function without coercive state control.

What We Learned About Freedom and Government

This conversation with Jeffrey Hann challenges us to question our deepest assumptions about the role of government in our lives. By exposing the fallacious belief in state control, we open the door to new possibilities for genuine freedom and voluntary cooperation.

Key takeaways:

• Critical thinking is a skill that can be developed, despite systemic efforts to suppress it.

• Psychological operations are constantly at work to maintain our compliance – awareness is the first step to resistance.

• Government, by its very nature, is a tool of control over the innocent.

• Political solutions within the current system cannot address the fundamental problems of state tyranny.

• Embracing anarchist principles based on voluntary interaction and natural rights offers a path forward.

Are you ready to challenge your beliefs and explore a new vision of freedom? Listen to the full episode for an in-depth exploration of these ideas and practical steps you can take to reclaim your autonomy. Remember, true change begins with how we think about the world around us. It's time to break free from the mental chains of statism and embrace a future of genuine liberty.

Connect with Jeffery:

Get His Books:

• COVID-19: A Short Path to You'll Own Nothing and You'll Be Happy (2023)

• The Fallacious Belief in Government: Warp Speed Toward Tyranny (2025)

Connect with Jeffrey Hann on social:

• X (Twitter): @JeffreyHann

• Instagram: @Jeffrey.A.Hann

• YouTube: JREV Music

Listen to the Music:

• "Fallacious Belief in Government" album on YouTube

• "Militant Anarchist" album on YouTube

• Also available on streaming platforms like Spotify, Apple Music, and Pandora

Explore his Website:

• Journalistic Revolution: journalisticrevolution.com

• Instagram: @journalisticrevolution

Facebook: Journalistic Revolution

Episode Timestamps:

(2:01) Jeffrey's recent projects

• Music production and album releases

• Focus on conveying philosophical beliefs through music

(3:01) Critical thinking and government belief

• Challenges in getting people to question their faith in government

• Importance of critical thinking skills in today's society

(4:30) Personal journey of changing beliefs

• Discomfort in realizing one's previous beliefs were wrong

• Importance of being open to new perspectives

(6:06) Psychological operations and fear

• Discussion on the use of fear by governments

• Historical context of psychological operations

(8:34) Life cycle of government

• Exploration of Plato's five regimes

• Inevitability of tyranny in governmental systems

(20:36) Democracy and its flaws

• Critique of democracy as majority rule

• Discussion on the misuse of the term in modern politics

(25:23) Anarchism and its principles

• Definition and exploration of anarchist philosophy

• Importance of voluntary interactions and absence of rulers

(37:35) Roads argument and government justification

• Common arguments for government necessity

• Critique of government efficiency in infrastructure

(42:05) Hope and the need for societal evolution

• Discussion on the potential for positive change

• Importance of creating content to spread ideas

(47:55) Jeffrey's resources and future projects

• Overview of books, articles, and music

• Upcoming work on plasma cosmology

(49:20) Conclusion and call to action

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135. Navigating Legal Loopholes: Tax-Free Living Explained with Brandon Joe Williams

About this Episode

Think you understand taxes, citizenship, and your legal identity? Think again.

In this mind-bending episode, Craig sits down with legal researcher and educator Brandon Joe Williams to explore the provocative world of legal loopholes, sovereignty, and tax-free living. From squaring off with the Employment Development Department to establishing foreign trusts, Brandon’s personal journey is as unconventional as the legal theories he unpacks.

Together, they dive deep into topics like:

• Why Brandon believes taxation is optional

• How credit cards might actually be tools for generating currency

• Whether you're truly a U.S. citizen—or just think you are

But don’t worry—this isn’t all dense legalese. Brandon blends complex ideas with humor, analogies, and pop culture references that make the fringe feel surprisingly accessible. You’ll hear wild terms like “fleshy currency manufacturing devices” and come away questioning things you’ve always taken for granted.

Whether you’re a legal theory junkie, a freedom-seeker, or simply curious about how deep the legal rabbit hole goes, this episode will challenge your assumptions and expand your perspective on sovereignty, money, and personal power.

Disclaimer: This isn't legal advice. It's a radical exploration of alternative viewpoints that sit at the edge of mainstream understanding. Proceed with curiosity—and maybe a healthy dose of skepticism.

Ready to rethink the system? Press play and prepare to see the legal world like never before.

Connect with Brandon Joe Williams (trademark used with permission):

• Main Website: One Stupid Fuck

• Facebook

• Instagram

• X

• YouTube

• The Nation of Amnesty Coalition

• Brandon’s Law Firm: Williams and WILLIAMS Law Group

• Course: 2.0 Free Contract Killer Course

• Books: Don’t Be a Slave & Love is a Battery

• Brandon’s Step-by-Step Guide

Episode Timestamps:

(00:42) Guest Introduction and Background

• Brandon's experience with the Employment Development Department (EDD)

• Creation of foreign trusts to protect assets

• Development of a platform for legal research and breakthroughs

(02:01) Brandon's Journey into Legal Research

• Landscaping company takeover and EDD issues

• Encounter with fringe legal concepts

• Creation of foreign irrevocable private trusts

(04:05) Brandon's Platform and Research Focus

• Three main areas of research: nationality, citizenship, taxation

• Driving vs. traveling debate

• Money vs. negotiable instruments

(10:59) Taxation and U.S. Citizenship

• Definition of U.S. Citizenship

• 14th Amendment and its implications

• Slaughterhouse Cases and their significance

(25:58) Legal Strategies for Tax Exemption

• Foreign trusts and EIN numbers

• Challenging the concept of U.S. citizenship

• Using affidavits and evidence in legal proceedings

(32:45) The Role of Attorneys in Legal Matters

• Risks of using attorneys at law

• Definition of "client" and "ward of the court"

(37:28) Currency and Negotiable Instruments

• Redefining bills and tickets as cash

• Registered trademarks and legal leverage

(45:48) In-Person Events and Future Plans

• Brandon's past and potential future speaking engagements

(49:12) Practical Applications of Legal Knowledge

• Challenging traffic tickets and government documents

• Redefining residency and citizenship

(54:55) The Abundance Mindset and Currency Creation

• Shifting perspective on money and bills

• Legal strategies for challenging financial systems

(1:02:12) Closing Thoughts and Resources

• Brandon's websites and free educational materials

• Importance of understanding legal definitions and rights

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134. Larken Rose on Immigration and Christian Values: Challenging the Border Fetish Brigade

What happens when immigration policies clash with Christian values? Craig sits down with Larken Rose to dissect the complexities of immigration, focusing on the criticisms of past and current policies across administrations, what is novel about Trump’s border approach, and the inconsistencies in how some Christians approach these issues. The conversation challenges listeners to scrutinize their beliefs and the language surrounding immigration.

Key Topics:

1. Demonization of Immigrants Under Trump: Larken Rose highlights how Trump's administration has intensified the demonization of immigrants, creating a category of "undesirables." He draws parallels to historical tyrants who gained power by instilling fear of a common enemy. 

2. Libertarian Inconsistencies: The discussion shifts to Dave Smith, a libertarian figure who supports Trump's immigration policies. Larken criticizes libertarians who abandon their principles on immigration, pointing out the hypocrisy in supporting authoritarian measures while claiming to champion individual liberty.

3. Christian Perspectives on Immigration Laws: Christians’ support for harsh immigration policies and "Jesus would follow the law" are examined. Do such stances contradict Jesus' teachings?

4. Self-Reflection and Consistency: Larken concludes with a positive note on the power of self-reflection. He suggests that significant positive change could occur if well-intentioned people critically examined their beliefs for inconsistencies, rather than trying to change the minds of those with opposing views.

Notable Quotes:

"Obama and going back forever the immigration thuggery…it's not at all new. Trump didn't invent that. But what we're seeing a lot more of right now is the demonization of a whole category of people, those ‘illegals’." - Larken Rose

"One of the first things where it really dawned on me that maybe I was thinking about this differently is the fact that we're calling a person “illegal” because they crossed a border that was created by corrupt elitist." - Craig Harguess

Join Craig and Larken as they navigate these topics, and reflect on liberty, ownership, and the state control and power that can be seized amid public outrage. In the full episode, you’ll find a thought-provoking discussion that questions the status quo at the intersection of faith and immigration.

Connect with Larken:

• The Jones Plantation Film

  • Platforms: Available on Apple TV, Amazon Prime, Tubi, Xmou Play, The Roku Channel, PLEX 

• The Rose Channel

• Book: The Most Dangerous Superstition 

• YouTube

• Candles in the Dark

• Facebook

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Immigration and Morality

• Larken Rose returns as a guest to tackle this contentious issue.

(0:51) The Current Immigration Crisis

• Examination of the current immigration situation and its portrayal in the media.

• Comparison of deportation statistics across different U.S. administrations.

• Concerns were raised about the use of detention centers, likened to concentration camps.

• Where was Auschwitz 

(2:52) The "Undesirables" Narrative

• Larken discusses the historical demonization of immigrants as "undesirables."

• Comparison to tactics used by tyrannical regimes to gain power.

(5:57) Christian Perspectives on Immigration

• Christian community's response to immigration policies.

• Calls for a more compassionate, Christ-like approach to the issue.

(10:14) Trump and Authoritarian Rhetoric

• Discussion of Trump's rhetoric, with comparisons to historical authoritarian figures.

• The term "Mango Mussolini" is introduced as a humorous yet pointed critique.

(14:42) Humor as Resistance

• The role of humor in challenging authoritarianism and political figures.

• Balancing humor with the gravity of political issues.

(18:21) Biblical Insights on Authority

• Reflection on how early Christians and Jesus challenged state authority.

• Encouragement for Christians to consider these examples in modern contexts.

(21:07) Libertarian Views on Immigration

• Critique of libertarian inconsistencies regarding immigration.

• Discussion on fear-based versus principle-based decision-making.

(24:29) Fear as a Political Tool

• Analysis of how fear is used to manipulate public opinion on immigration.

• A call for courage and adherence to principles in the face of fear.

(29:23) Language and Labels

• Examination of the term "illegal immigrant" and its implications.

• A Christian perspective on the dehumanization inherent in such labels.

(38:46) Jesus and Legal Compliance

• Addressing claims that Jesus would adhere to immigration laws.

• Historical context of early Christianity's defiance of Roman law.

(54:45) The "Do You Lock Your Doors?" Argument

• Larken challenges common pro-border control arguments.

• Discussion of personal property rights versus national borders.

(59:59) The Mirror Project

• Introduction to Larken's project aimed at encouraging self-reflection and consistency in beliefs.

• Emphasis on examining personal values and beliefs.

(1:02:57) Closing Thoughts and Resources

• Information on Larken's work, including "The Jones Plantation" film.

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133. When the Church Looks Away: Chronic Illness, Faith, and the Call to Love with Claire Staples and Sarah Perry

What happens when the body of Christ forgets its own?

In this powerful episode of The Bad Roman Podcast, Claire Staples (The Clarity Podcast) and Sarah Perry (Voluntarism in Action) join host Craig Harguess for a conversation that exposes the gap between what churches preach—and how they treat the chronically ill. Drawing from their lived experiences within the LDS Church and broader Christian communities, they explore what it means to suffer in faith while being ignored by the very institutions meant to offer support.

Both women share how chronic illness is often not only misunderstood but actively stigmatized within religious settings. Instead of being met with compassion, those with long-term illnesses are often sidelined, silenced, or blamed for their own suffering. Their stories are a sobering look at how churches—particularly those entangled with state-aligned ideologies and cultural expectations—can lose sight of Christ’s command to care for "the least of these."

The Hidden Burden: When Suffering Meets Silence

Claire and Sarah’s experiences reveal a troubling pattern: while churches may rally around someone facing a temporary injury or illness, chronic conditions are another story.

• Church leaders suggested their illnesses were spiritual failures—evidence of insufficient faith or unrepented sin.

• Expectations to “perform” remained unchanged, even when health was failing.

• Requests for help were met with cold bureaucracy or outright neglect.

As Sarah put it: “People hear the word ‘disease’ and they lose it.” The fear of illness—and the discomfort it brings—often leads communities to withdraw rather than draw near.

These moments beg a difficult but necessary question: Are we building churches that reflect Christ, or churches that maintain appearances?

A Return to the Gospel’s Core

Rather than offering cynicism, this episode calls for renewal. Claire and Sarah ground their critiques not in bitterness, but in Scripture. They point to the life of Jesus and the stories that define what it truly means to follow Him:

• The Good Samaritan reminds us that love is inconvenient—and that holiness is shown in how we treat those others ignore.

• Jesus’ healing of lepers challenges the impulse to keep our hands clean when our neighbors are in pain.

• The story of Job warns against the human tendency to explain away suffering with judgment.

These biblical examples offer more than comfort—they offer a roadmap back to the kind of faith that moves toward people, not systems. As Claire noted, “We need to bring it back to basics, back to home and family. Then we would all know Jesus better.”

What the Church Can Do Better

The conversation also offers tangible steps for churches and individuals who want to support chronically ill members with more integrity and compassion:

• Educate congregations on the realities of chronic illness.

• Offer support that doesn’t hinge on a person’s ability to serve or attend.

• Resist the temptation to “fix” suffering with theology—start by listening.

• Build inclusive spaces that reflect the full diversity of the body of Christ.

Claire and Sarah challenge the tendency to outsource care—whether to medical institutions or church programs—and remind us that the call of Christ is personal. The Gospel is not a system; it is a way of being with one another.

Faith in the Midst of Pain

Perhaps the most transformative thread in this episode is the reimagining of suffering itself—not as a sign of divine punishment, but as a crucible that can deepen intimacy with Christ. Both guests reject the prosperity gospel’s promise of health as a sign of favor, and instead point to the promise of God’s presence through the valley.

Suffering doesn’t disqualify us from God's love—it draws us deeper into it.

As Claire shared, “I don’t think I would have fully understood what Jesus did for me on the cross if I hadn’t suffered horrendously at no fault of my own.”

This conversation is a challenge—and an invitation. A call to rethink what it means to be the Church. A reminder that faith is not proven by perfection, but by how we love one another through imperfection, weakness, and pain.

Connect With Our Guests:

Claire Staples – The Clarity Podcast

Claire shares faith-centered conversations on recovering from high-demand religion, chronic illness, and returning to Christ-centered living.

• Podcast: The Clarity Podcast on Spotify

• Instagram: @theclarity.podcast

• YouTube Channel: The Clarity Podcast on YouTube

• Website + Nonprofit: ChronicallyBeautifulLife.com

  • Learn more about the Chronically Care Project and donate or contribute to care packages for the chronically ill.

Sarah Perry – Voluntarism in Action

Sarah volunteers with VIA, a liberty-rooted nonprofit providing direct aid and resources to communities in need—without state involvement.

• Organization Website: viaction.org

• Instagram: @voluntarism_in_action

  • Support ongoing humanitarian campaigns (e.g. Gaza relief, Congo gardens, US seed kits)

  • Sign up to receive free spring gardening kits (US-only) to promote food sovereignty

• Blog: VIA’s website also features resources on mutual aid, self-sufficiency, and disaster relief.

Episode Timestamps:

(0:02) Introduction to the Bad Roman Podcast

• Guests Claire Staples and Sarah Perry join to discuss chronic illness and the church

• Previous Episode with Claire: From Mormon LDS to Freedom in Christ: Unveiling Lies in Medicine, Government, and Religion

• Previous Episode with Sarah: Christian Ethics and Stateless Societies: The Anarchist Approach of the Perry Family

(0:22) Exploring Christian Responsibility in Healthcare

• Discussion on whether Christians are doing enough for the sick

• Questioning the comfort with government management of healthcare for Christians

(0:45) Claire and Sarah's Background with Chronic Illness

• Both guests share experiences with chronic illness in the LDS (Mormon) Church

• Instances of being shunned or misunderstood due to their health conditions

(2:11) Claire's Nonprofit Work

• Introduction to the Chronically Care Project, supporting those with chronic illnesses

• Insights gained from working with chronically ill individuals globally

(4:30) Sarah's Experience with Chronic Illness and Church

• Growing up with vague symptoms in an abusive family

• Expectations and disappointments within the Mormon Church community

(7:41) Church Leadership Response to Illness

• Sarah's experience of being shunned by church leaders for being sick

• Discussion on the importance of temple recommends in Mormon culture

(12:07) Comparing Church Experiences to Cult Documentaries

• Craig draws parallels between the guests' experiences and cult-like behaviors

• Reflection on the control and hierarchy within religious organizations

(17:21) Cultural Influences on Church Attitudes Towards Illness

• How state and government attitudes infiltrate church culture regarding chronic illness

• Examples of church leaders' responses to requests for help and understanding

(25:48) The Role of Medical System in Church Attitudes

• Discussion on the church's reliance on mainstream medical systems

• Critique of outsourcing care to doctors instead of providing community support

(30:28) LDS Church's Relationship with Government and Healthcare

• Exploration of the church's investments in medical and pharmaceutical industries

• Comparison of church tithing to government taxation

(36:06) Scriptural Solutions for Caring for the Sick

• Analysis of the Good Samaritan parable and its relevance to chronic illness care

• Discussion on Jesus' treatment of lepers and its modern application

(49:33) The Book of Job and Suffering

• Interpretation of Job's story in relation to chronic illness and faith

• Exploration of spiritual warfare and demonic influences on attitudes towards suffering

(1:03:38) Why Bad Things Happen to Good People

• Discussion on God's role in suffering and the nature of a fallen world

• Personal story from Craig about his niece's cancer diagnosis

(1:12:26) God's Love and Community Support

• Reflection on God's nature as love and the importance of community in times of suffering

• Craig shares positive experiences of support for his niece

(1:15:11) Closing Thoughts and Resource Sharing

• Claire and Sarah share information about their projects and podcasts

• Encouragement for listeners to engage with resources for supporting the chronically ill

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132. allegiance to God or Government? with Jason Porterfield

In a world where political divisions run deep and national identity often overshadows faith, how can Christians navigate the complex relationship between church and state? This episode of the Bad Roman Podcast featuring author of Fight Like Jesus: How Jesus Waged Peace Throughout Holy Week, Jason Porterfield, explores the complex relationship between Christianity and the state. 

As Christians, we know we're called to follow Jesus. Yet, many of us find ourselves caught in a web of conflicting loyalties. We pledge allegiance to flags, sing patriotic anthems, and even display national symbols in our places of worship. But is this what Jesus intended for His followers?

Jason challenges us to reconsider our assumptions about Christian citizenship and allegiance. His insights offer a fresh perspective on what it means to be a follower of Christ in a world that falsely demands our loyalty to earthly powers.

The Kingdom of God: More Than Just a Spiritual Concept

When Jesus spoke of the Kingdom of God, He wasn't merely describing a spiritual realm. He was making a bold, politically charged statement that challenged the very foundations of earthly power structures. Yet, many Christians today shy away from this revolutionary concept, preferring instead to speak of the "family of God" or other less confrontational terms.

Why do we do this? Perhaps it's because we've become too comfortable with the idea of dual citizenship – claiming allegiance to both God and country. But as Jason points out, this divided loyalty often leads to a watered-down faith where Jesus becomes Lord of less and less, while Caesar (or the state) claims lordship over everything else.

Consider this: What if we took Jesus' words about the Kingdom of God as seriously as the early Christians did? How might it change our relationship with the state and our understanding of our role in society?

Allegiance vs. Faith: Reclaiming the Power of Pistis

One of the most striking insights from this episode is the discussion around the Greek word "pistis." Often translated simply as "faith," this word carries a much deeper meaning of allegiance or loyalty. When the New Testament writers speak of giving one's pistis to Jesus, they're not just talking about believing in Him – they're calling for a complete transfer of allegiance from earthly powers to Christ.

This understanding challenges the modern Christian tendency to reduce faith to a personal, spiritual matter divorced from political and social realities. It calls us to reconsider what it truly means to declare Jesus as Lord and King.

Ask yourself: Have I reduced my faith in Jesus to mere belief, or am I willing to give Him my complete allegiance, even when it conflicts with the demands of the state?

Flags in the Sanctuary: A Symbol of Divided Loyalties

The presence of national flags in church sanctuaries is a relatively recent phenomenon, yet it's become so commonplace that many Christians don't think twice about it. However, as Jason reminds us, the early church would have found this practice deeply troubling.

Tertullian, an early Christian writer, declared that "the divine banner and the human banner do not go together, nor the standard of Christ and the standard of the devil." These words may sound harsh to modern ears, but they reflect a deep understanding of the exclusive nature of our allegiance to Christ.

Consider this: What message are we sending when we display national symbols alongside Christian ones in our places of worship? Are we inadvertently suggesting that our loyalty is divided between God and country?

Practical Implications: Living as Citizens of Heaven

So how do we live out this radical allegiance to Christ in practical terms? Jason offers several thought-provoking suggestions:

1. Rethink your language: Instead of speaking of Jesus as your personal Savior, try referring to Him as your Lord and King.

2. Reconsider your participation in national rituals: Jason shares how he stands silently during the Pledge of Allegiance, reciting the Lord's Prayer instead.

3. Engage in your community, but with a different perspective: Work for the welfare of your city or country, but do so as an ambassador of Christ's kingdom, not as a citizen of an earthly nation.

4. Be prepared for pushback: Standing firm in your allegiance to Christ may cost you relationships or opportunities, but remember that your citizenship is in heaven.

What We Learned About True Allegiance

This episode challenges us to examine our assumptions about faith, citizenship, and allegiance. It reminds us that following Jesus is not just about personal salvation – it's about pledging our loyalty to a different kingdom altogether.

As we navigate the complex landscape of modern politics and national identity, let's remember that our primary citizenship is in heaven. Our allegiance is to Christ alone, and from that foundation, we can engage with our earthly communities in ways that reflect His love, justice, and peace.

Are you ready to reclaim the revolutionary nature of your faith? Listen to the full episode for more insights on living as citizens of God's kingdom in a world that demands our allegiance. And don't forget to check out Jason Porterfield's book "Fight Like Jesus" for a deeper exploration of how Jesus modeled peacemaking and confronted injustice during Holy Week.

Let's commit to being "bad Romans" – Christians who are willing to challenge the status quo and live out our allegiance to Christ, no matter the cost.

Connect with Jason:

• Free ebook

• Website

• Twitter

• Facebook

• Instagram

Episode Timestamps:

(0:22) Episode Overview

• Discussion on phrases used to define the kingdom of God

• Examination of national flags in churches

• Guest Jason Porterfield returns to the show

(0:56) Jason Porterfield Returns to the Show

• Jason Porterfield on Past Bad Roman Episodes

• Waging Peace: Seeing God Before the Resurrection with Jason Porterfield, Episode 54

• Keith Giles & Jason Porterfield - Fight Like a Christian, Episode 14

• Updates on Jason's family and work

• Impact of recent political policies on Jason's life and ministry

(2:47) Current Political Climate

• Craig and Jason discuss the challenges of Christian engagement with politics

• Concerns about Christians celebrating divisive political actions

(4:26) Motivations Behind Jason's Recent Post

• Jason shares the context of a church service that inspired his post

• Reflection on J.D. Vance's comments about Christian priorities

(9:24) Church Diversity and Political Tensions

• Discussion on political diversity within Jason's church (Quaker Friends Church)

• Challenges of maintaining Christian unity amid political differences

(12:27) Analyzing Jason's Four-Point Post

• Point 1: Jesus spoke of the kingdom of God, but that's too political

• Exploration of reducing the meaning of Jesus' teachings

(18:03) The Power of Language in Christian Identity

• Importance of recognizing Jesus as King

• Implications of using "Christ" vs. "King" in reference to Jesus

(24:24) Early Church Perspectives on Allegiance

• Historical examples of early Christians prioritizing allegiance to Christ

• Tertullian's statements on allegiance to God vs. Caesar

(28:22) Jesus' Teachings on Taxes and Allegiance

• Justin Martyr

• Analysis of Jesus' response to paying taxes to Caesar

• Early church interpretations of Jesus' teachings on allegiance

(35:33) The Bruderhof Community's Resistance to Nazism

• Example of Christians maintaining allegiance to Christ during political pressure

• Bonhoeffer's influence on the Bruderhof's stance

(46:21) Flags in Churches and Pledges of Allegiance

• Jason's personal approach to pledges of Allegiance

• Discussion on the presence of national flags in church sanctuaries

(54:56) Jason's Resource: 100 Early Christian Quotes on Not Killing

• Origin and purpose of Jason's compilation of early Christian quotes

• Importance of understanding early church perspectives on violence

(57:51) Jason's Book: Fight Like Jesus

• Overview of the book's focus on Jesus' actions during Holy Week

• Encouragement to read the book during the Lenten season

(59:48) Conclusion and Additional Resources

• Invitation to explore Jason's website for more resources

• Importance of Christians considering their relationship to the state

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131. Military Service and God’s Will: A Veteran’s Journey with Steve O'Connor

About this Episode

In this eye-opening episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, host Craig Harguess sits down with Steve O'Connor, a former Marine who shares his powerful journey from military service to embracing a Christ-centered life. Steve's story challenges conventional wisdom about patriotism, military service, and what it truly means to follow Jesus.

The Allure of Military Service

Steve's path to the military was paved with family tradition and societal expectations. Growing up in a family with deep military roots, he was captivated by the idea of serving his country from a young age. The events of 9/11 further solidified his resolve to join the armed forces.

"I wasn't a great student and so they, they always say, oh well, you know, if you're not great in school, the military is perfect place for you," Steve recalls. This common narrative, coupled with family pride and a desire to defend his country, led him to enlist in the Marine Corps.

Key Insight: Many young people are drawn to military service through a combination of family expectations, societal pressure, and a genuine desire to serve. However, this decision often comes without a full understanding of the implications.

The Reality of Military Life

Steve's experiences in the military were far from the romanticized version often portrayed in recruitment ads. He deployed three times in four years, missing significant milestones in his family life, including the birth of his son. The physical and emotional toll was immense:

• Broken back

• Dislocated shoulders

• Knee injuries

• Sleep apnea

• PTSD and anxiety

"I scream at night. I don't remember my dreams," Steve shares, highlighting the lasting impact of his service.

Challenge: Veterans often struggle with the disconnect between their expectations of military service and the harsh realities they face. This can lead to profound physical and emotional challenges that persist long after their service ends.

A Spiritual Awakening

The turning point in Steve's journey came during a Memorial Day celebration in 2017. As he recited the Pledge of Allegiance, he had a sudden realization:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And I said that first line, I was like, what? In my brain, I'm just like, what in the hell am I doing? What is this garbage I am saying?"

This moment sparked a deep reevaluation of his beliefs and values, leading Steve to question the relationship between his faith and his allegiance to the state.

Key Takeaway: True spiritual growth often requires us to challenge deeply ingrained beliefs and societal norms. Steve's experience shows how a single moment of clarity can set in motion a profound transformation.

Redefining Patriotism and Faith

As Steve delved deeper into the teachings of Jesus, he began to see a stark contrast between Christ's message of peace and love and the violence inherent in military service. He came to a powerful conclusion:

"God does not want your son [or daughter] joining the military”

This realization has led Steve to approach conversations about military service with honesty and a focus on the teachings of Christ. He now sees his role as helping others, especially young people considering or in military service, to understand the full implications of that choice.

Practical Advice: When discussing military service with others, especially young people, Steve aims to:

1. Be honest about the physical and emotional toll of service

2. Encourage reflection on how military service aligns (or doesn't) with one's faith and values

3. Present alternative ways to serve one's community and country

The Ongoing Journey

Steve's transformation is still a work in progress. He grapples with how to live out his newfound convictions in a community deeply entrenched in military culture. His story serves as a powerful reminder that true faith often requires us to challenge societal norms and expectations.

What We Learned About Faith, Patriotism, and Service

Steve's journey from soldier to peacemaker offers valuable lessons for all of us:

1. Question societal norms: Don't accept traditional narratives about patriotism and service without critical examination.

2. Align actions with beliefs: Regularly evaluate whether your actions truly reflect your core values and faith.

3. Embrace transformation: Be open to changing long-held beliefs when confronted with new insights or spiritual growth.

4. Share your story: Your experiences, even (or especially) the challenging ones, can help others navigate their own journeys.

Steve's story challenges us to reconsider what it truly means to serve God and our fellow humans. It reminds us that sometimes, the most patriotic act is to question and challenge the status quo in pursuit of a more peaceful, Christ-centered world.

Are you ready to reevaluate your own beliefs about patriotism, service, and faith? Listen to the full episode to dive deeper into Steve's transformative journey and discover how it might inspire changes in your own life.

Episode Timestamps:

(0:53) Steve's background and military service

• Family history of military service

• Influence of 9/11 on Steve's decision to join the military

• Multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan

(5:20) Steve's religious background and conversion

• Raised with mixed Catholic and Christian Science influences

• Became a Christian through his wife's influence

(7:27) Steve's military career and deployments

• Three tours in four years as intelligence personnel

• Experiences in combat and military operations

• Reference to Generation Kill (HBO Series)

(11:48) Steve's awakening to the issues with military service

• Realization during a Memorial Day celebration in 2017

• Recognition of the American flag as a "golden calf"

(14:09) Discussion on current military recruitment challenges

• Declining recruitment numbers and possible reasons

• Steve's perspective on the lack of active conflicts

(21:23) Steve's struggle with past actions and beliefs

• Grappling with the idea that military service wasn't God's will

• Impact on mental health and PTSD

• Reference to 1st Samuel 8 (Bible Verse)

(29:13) Steve's family life and the impact of military service

• Missing his son's birth during deployment

• Challenges in reconnecting with family after long absences

(42:52) Conversations with others about military service

• Approach to discussing military realities with potential recruits

• Balancing honesty about hardships with respect for beliefs

(50:36) Steve's evolving perspective on patriotism and symbolism

• Discomfort with excessive flag displays and national anthems

• Recognizing the brainwashing aspect of patriotic rituals

• Blue Angels are still cool though

(59:36) Conclusion and future plans

• Encouragement for Steve to start writing about his experiences

• Potential for future discussions on the podcast.

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130. Overcoming Addiction and Finding Wellness with Elaina Wang

About this Episode

Elaina Wang, a health coach and former addict, shares her radical journey of transformation. Once trapped in childhood obesity and a 15-year methamphetamine addiction, Elaina has emerged as a living testament to resilience, intentionality, and self-governance. Her story is one of reclaiming bodily autonomy—a core principle for those who reject the systems that seek to control our lives, whether through addiction, consumerism, or coercion.

We dive deep into the realities of addiction and recovery, particularly the devastating effects of meth and fentanyl-laced substances. Elaina speaks candidly about the spiritual and psychological battle of addiction, the way it severs personal freedom, and the importance of rebuilding trust with oneself and others.

But true liberation isn’t just about breaking free from addiction—it’s about restoring the body as a temple and aligning daily choices with God’s design for health and wholeness. Elaina shares how real food, self-discipline, and holistic health practices played a pivotal role in her healing. She advocates for a low-carb, ketogenic diet, exposing the lies of corporate food industries and emphasizing the power of self-sufficiency in nutrition.

Key Takeaways:

1. Addiction and Sovereignty – Addiction is a form of enslavement. Elaina’s journey highlights the power of reclaiming control over the body and mind.

2. ‘Temple’ Restoration – Health is a spiritual act. What we consume—physically, mentally, and spiritually—either strengthens or weakens us.

3. Building Habits for Freedom – Discipline creates freedom. Elaina shares how habit stacking leads to lasting change, making it easier to sustain a life of health, purpose, and independence.

Elaina also opens up about managing her Keto Wang Facebook page, navigating censorship, online backlash, and digital boundaries in a world that often suppresses dissenting voices.

At its core, Elaina’s story is a call to radical ownership—of health, of choices, and of life itself. If you believe that true freedom starts with taking responsibility for yourself, this episode is for you.

Connect with Elaina:

Facebook: Keto Wang

Hack Your Health:

• Hack Your Health Conference November 14 – 16, 2025, Tampa, FL: hackyourhealth.com

• Instagram Hack Your Health

Coaching: hackyourhealthcoaching.com

Episode Timestamps:

(01:01) Elaina’s Background and Addiction Story

• Childhood trauma and morbid obesity

• 15-year methamphetamine addiction (age 15-30)

• Unique experience: Gaining weight while using meth due to sugar binging

(06:27) Turning Point at Age 30

• Decision to get clean and start a health journey

(09:06) Methamphetamine Addiction Discussion

• Long-term effects of meth use

• Comparison to alcohol addiction

• Fentanyl's impact on current meth crisis

(15:17) Recreational Drug Use and Addiction

• Dangers of "dabbling" in hard drugs

• Social circles and their influence on addiction

(19:14) Elaina’s Recovery Journey

• Using marijuana to transition off harder drugs

• Quitting alcohol after hospitalization for pancreatitis

(22:12) Motivation for Getting Clean

• Fear of deportation for husband

• Desire to reconnect with family

• Recognizing the need for change

(24:52) Sugar Addiction and Diet

• Similarities between sugar and drug addiction

• Importance of whole foods and proper nutrition

(30:36) Government Involvement in Health

• Skepticism about government-led health initiatives

• Importance of individual responsibility for health

(36:32) Hack Your Health Program

• Evolution from Keto-focused to overall healthy lifestyle

• Coaching services and biohacking approach

(44:00) Nutrition as Foundation for Health

• Prioritizing nutrition before exercise

• Addressing food addiction

(45:39) Exercise and Sleep Balance

• Importance of consistent, gradual exercise habits

• Balancing workouts with adequate sleep for recovery

(49:55) Social Media and Dealing with Trolls

• Handling controversial topics and negative comments

• Setting boundaries for online interactions

(56:04) Closing Thoughts and Contact Information

• Importance of health for oneself and loved ones

• Elaina’s social media presence and coaching services

• Upcoming Hack Your Health event in Tampa (November 2025)

(1:02:32) Final Message on Addiction Recovery

• Encouragement for those struggling with addiction

• Emphasizing the impact on loved ones as motivation for change

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129. Patriot or Saint with Brandon Kroll

About this Episode

Unveiling the Hidden: How Occult Practices Shape Our World and Faith

Ever wondered why the world seems increasingly chaotic? Why traditional Christian values appear to be eroding? Brandon Kroll, host of the Manna Daily Podcast, joins us to peel back the layers of our reality and expose the hidden forces at play. This eye-opening conversation challenges everything you thought you knew about faith, government, and the occult.

A Journey Beyond the Surface

Brandon's path to uncovering hidden truths began early. As a contrarian by nature, he always questioned the status quo: "I've always been very much the contrarian. I've always been somebody that's like, okay, that's cute, but what else is missing in this history book?"

This curiosity led him to explore topics often overlooked or dismissed by mainstream Christianity. From the Book of Enoch to the alien question, Brandon delved into areas many consider taboo.

But why venture into such controversial territory? Brandon explains: "What I'm trying to do is put myself out there, go behind enemy lines, acquire intel so that we better understand our Bibles, and we better understand the world that's at large."

The Kabbalah Connection

One of the most startling revelations Brandon shares is the pervasive influence of Kabbalah in our world. Far from being an obscure Jewish mystical tradition, Kabbalah's tenets have seeped into many aspects of modern life – including Christianity.

Brandon breaks it down:"Kabbalah is already saying, love the things of this world, earth and eternity. That's fine. God and government, okay, Christ and country, perfect. Scripture and science, you got it. But if you try to say, no government, that's a problem."

This blending of spiritual and worldly power is at the heart of many issues we face today. It's a subtle deception that's led many Christians astray without them even realizing it.

The Government-Occult Nexus

If you've ever wondered about the connection between government and occult practices, you're not alone. Brandon provides compelling evidence of this link: "Ephesians 6:12 with the Geneva Bible... It says, 'for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against worldly governors... against spiritual wickedness, which are in high places.'"

Interestingly, the phrase "worldly governors" was removed in the King James Version. This omission speaks volumes about the potential manipulation of scripture to serve political ends.

Rethinking Our Approach to Faith

Brandon's insights challenge us to reconsider how we approach our faith and engage with the world. He emphasizes the importance of personal study and discernment: "Don't just listen to the holy man that tells you what it says... Make it personal."

This call to individual responsibility echoes throughout our conversation. It's a reminder that true faith isn't about blindly following traditions or earthly authorities, but about seeking a genuine connection with the divine.

Practical Steps for Awakening

So how can we apply these revelations to our lives? Brandon offers several actionable strategies:

1. Question everything, especially long-held beliefs and traditions.

2. Study scripture in its original context, looking beyond modern translations.

3. Be aware of the subtle ways worldly philosophies can infiltrate our faith.

4. Focus on living out the basic tenets of Christianity rather than getting caught up in denominational disputes.

5. Recognize the difference between being a "patriot" and a "saint" – you can't serve two masters.

What We Learned About Hidden Influences

This conversation with Brandon Kroll opens our eyes to the unseen forces shaping our world and faith. It challenges us to:

• Look beyond surface-level interpretations of scripture and world events.

• Question the motives behind governmental and religious institutions.

• Seek personal understanding rather than relying solely on authority figures.

• Recognize the subtle ways occult practices have influenced modern Christianity.

Most importantly, it reminds us that true faith isn't about conforming to worldly systems but aligning ourselves with divine truth.

Ready to dive deeper into these hidden realities? Listen to the full episode for more mind-bending insights. And remember, in a world of deception, seeking truth is more important than ever. Stay vigilant, stay curious, and most of all, stay true to your faith and don’t forget “no king but Christ.”

Connect with Brandon Kroll:

• Manna Daily Podcast Youtube

• Manna Daily Podcast Spotify

Books Refrenced:

1. Bloody Zion by Edward Hendry

2. Rulers of Evil by Tupper Saussy

3. Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola

4. New Age Versions by G.A. Riplinger

Bible Verses Referenced:

1. Matthew 15:1-11 - Discusses man-made traditions in contrast to the commandments of God.

2. Mark 7:1-13 - Refers to man-made traditions versus God's commandments.

3. 1 Corinthians 11:2 - Mentions the traditions delivered by Paul.

4. Ephesians 6:12 - "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

5. Philippians 3:20 - "But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ."

6. John 18:36 - "My kingdom is not of this world."

7. 1 Samuel 8:18 - "When the day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day."

8. Hosea 8:4 - "They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval."

9. Isaiah 5:20 - "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil."

10. Hosea 4:6 - "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."

11. Genesis 6:4 - Refers to the sons of God and the Nephilim.

12. 1 John 3:1 - "Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God."

Episode Timestamps:

(1:04) Brandon's Background and Journey

• Adoption story and educational experiences

• Encounters with contrarian thinking and questioning authority

• Exploration of hidden history and occult practices

(5:57) Brandon's Political and Spiritual Evolution

• First voting experience in 2016

• Shift in perspective during 2020 elections

• Conviction about church practices during the pandemic

(13:49) Pushback and Growth in Ministry

• Experiences with criticism and audience growth

• Concept of being "over the target" in truth-telling

(17:44) The Concept of Sin and Missing the Mark

• Discussion on the meaning of sin and its relation to being on target

• From Pulpit to Podcast: Exodus from traditional church teachings in podcasts

(19:17) Traditions of Men in Scripture

• Analysis of the phrase "traditions of men" in the New Testament

• Connection to Kabbalah and occult practices

(25:19) Occult Influences in Government and Religion

• Discussion on the reality of occult practices in politics

• Recommended books for further research (see below for list)

(47:55) Bible Translations and Interpretation

• Critique of King James Version and other translations

• Importance of understanding historical context and original languages

(54:43) Living Out Biblical Basics

• Emphasis on practicing core Christian principles

• Critique of denominational divisions and political entanglements

(1:03:29) Early Church Practices and Modern Applications

• Discussion on vetting processes in early Christianity

• Implications for modern church participation

(1:05:30) Closing Thoughts and Resources

• Information on Brandon's podcast Mana Daily Podcast and where to find his work

• Invitation for future collaborations

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128. The Anabaptist Way: Rediscovering Radical Christianity with Cody Cook

About this Episode

Are you tired of feeling like your faith has been watered down by political allegiances and cultural compromises? Do you long for a Christianity that truly embodies the radical teachings of Jesus? In this eye-opening episode of the Bad Roman Podcast, you'll dive deep into the world of Anabaptism with author and researcher Cody Cook. Get ready to challenge your assumptions and rediscover what it truly means to follow Christ in a world that often seems at odds with His teachings.

A Return to Radical Roots

The Anabaptist movement emerged in the 16th century as a response to what many saw as a compromised Christianity. While the Protestant Reformation challenged some aspects of the Catholic Church, the Anabaptists took things further, seeking to return to the radical roots of the early church.

Cody Cook explains:
"The Anabaptists were seen as part of what was called the radical Reformation, which means extreme in common parlance, but it also means basically to go back to the original sources. Basically, to be radical means to go back to the beginning. And I think that's really what they did, more so than Protestants were willing to do."

This commitment to returning to the source—the teachings of Jesus and the early church—set the Anabaptists apart and led to revolutionary ideas that continue to challenge mainstream Christianity today.

Key Insights: What Made the Anabaptists Different?

1. Believers' Baptism
One of the most defining characteristics of Anabaptism was their rejection of infant baptism in favor of baptizing only those who could make a conscious decision to follow Christ. This may seem commonplace now, but at the time, it was revolutionary and threatening to the established order.

As Cook points out:
"Roman Christianity had long assumed the validity of the Volkskirch, that is, that with the exception of heretics and Jews, everyone in Europe belonged to the Church, the people's church, by virtue of infant baptism."

By rejecting infant baptism, Anabaptists were essentially challenging the entire concept of Christendom and the marriage of church and state.

2. Nonviolence and Pacifism
Another core tenet of Anabaptism was a commitment to nonviolence and pacifism. This wasn't just a personal preference, but a deeply held conviction based on their understanding of Jesus' teachings.

Cook explains:
"Jesus not only modeled non-violent love toward his enemies, but he commanded it from his followers as well. And that made them stand out from the Protestants."

This commitment to nonviolence put Anabaptists at odds with both Catholic and Protestant authorities, leading to severe persecution.

3. Separation from the State
Unlike the reformers who sought to create new "Christian" states, Anabaptists believed in a clear separation between the church and worldly powers. They saw themselves as citizens of God's kingdom first and foremost.

"Christ is our king," Cook emphasizes. "So we should expect that there is going to be some conflict from time to time between the kingdom of God and the kings of men. And when that happens, we're always to side with our loyalty to the kingdom of God."

Challenging Your Assumptions: Rethinking Self-Defense and Pacifism

One of the most thought-provoking aspects of our conversation with Cody Cook was his exploration of pacifism and self-defense. Many Christians, especially in America, have a knee-jerk reaction against pacifism, seeing it as weak or impractical. But Cook challenges you to reconsider this view:

"Ultimately, at the root of it is just the Latin word pox, which means peace. And so it's a way of approaching peace, of peacemaking, essentially."

He goes on to explain that pacifism doesn't necessarily mean complete inaction in the face of threat, but rather a commitment to pursuing peaceful solutions and avoiding lethal force.

This perspective forces us to confront some uncomfortable questions:

• Have we allowed our cultural values to overshadow the teachings of Jesus when it comes to violence?

• Are there creative, nonviolent ways to protect yourself and others that haven’t been fully explored?

• How might your witness as a Christian change if you truly embraced a commitment to peacemaking?

Practical Advice: Living Out Anabaptist Principles Today

While you may not be called to join an Anabaptist church, there are valuable lessons you can learn from their approach to faith:

1. Prioritize the teachings of Jesus: Make a conscious effort to center your faith on the words and actions of Christ, even when they challenge cultural norms.

2. Seek peaceful solutions: In conflicts, big and small, look for ways to de-escalate and promote reconciliation rather than retaliation.

3. Question allegiances: Regularly examine whether your political or cultural loyalties are in conflict with your primary allegiance to Christ's kingdom.

4. Live simply and in community: Consider ways to simplify your life and deepen your connections with other believers.

5. Be willing to stand apart: Don't be afraid to take countercultural stances when your faith demands it.

What did we Learn About Radical Christianity?

Our conversation with Cody Cook reminds us that following Jesus has always been a radical act. The Anabaptists, despite their flaws and the intense persecution they faced, offer Christians a compelling vision of what it means to take Jesus' teachings seriously.

As you navigate the complex landscape of modern Christianity, perhaps it's time to revisit some of these "radical" ideas. What if you truly embraced nonviolence, even in the face of threats? What if you saw yourself primarily as a citizen of God's kingdom rather than any earthly nation? What if you committed to building voluntary communities of faith rather than relying on state power to enforce your beliefs?

These are challenging questions, but they're worth wrestling with. As Cook's upcoming book The Anarchist Anabaptist suggests, there may be more overlap between these historical believers and modern Christian anarchists than you might think.

Listen to the full episode for a deeper dive into these fascinating topics. And as you do, ask yourself: How might embracing some of these Anabaptist principles transform your walk with Christ?

Connect with Cody Cook:

• Libertarian Christian Insitute

• Podcast - Cantus Firmus

• Explore Cody’s Books

• Website: www.cantus-firmus.com

• Libertarian Insitute Blogs

• Bad Roman Episodes with Cody Cook:

  • EP 89 God's Country or Jesus’s Kingdom? Navigating the Nexus of Nationalism and Faith in America

  • EP 99Navigating Revivals in Christianity with Cody Cook

Episode Timestamps:

(1:07) Background on Anabaptists

• Connections between Mennonites, Anabaptists, and Amish

• Craig's personal experiences with Mennonites

(1:48) Cody's Current Projects

• Overview of Cody's work on Anabaptist systematic theology

• Introduction to "The Anarchist Anabaptist" book

(3:55) Anabaptist Church Availability

• Craig's search for Anabaptist churches in the Memphis area

• Challenges of attending distant churches

(5:06) Diversity Within Modern Anabaptism

• Spectrum of conservative to liberal Anabaptist groups

• Cody's focus on traditional Anabaptist political theology

(9:05) Anabaptists and Anarchism

• Separationist vs. activist anarchism

• Anabaptists' view of Christ as king and the state as separate

(12:28) Historical Context of Anabaptism

• Emergence of Anabaptists in the 16th century, challenging the union of church and state

• Anabaptists sought to build a voluntary society, emphasizing freedom of religion and speech

• Key Anabaptist beliefs: believers' baptism, nonviolence, separation from the state

(20:40) Pacifism and Self-Defense in Christian thought

• Discussion on Christian pacifism vs. self-defense

• Jesus teaches followers to set aside their rights rather than assert them

• Exploration of natural rights and Christian obligations

• Importance of thinking through responses to hypothetical situations is emphasized

• Pacifism as working towards peace, not necessarily absolute non-resistance

(29:28) American Revolution and Christianity

• Review of David Bercot's book "In God We Don't Trust"

• Critique of justifications for the American Revolution

• At the time of the American Revolution, colonists were taxed at about 1.5%

• Americans received benefits of British citizenship without many downsides

• This is contrasted with modern taxation rates of 30-50%

(47:49) State Ordination and Biblical Perspective

• Complexities of God's ordination of the state

• Satan's and human influence on state power

(52:55) Democracy vs monarchy debate

• Reference to a previous episode discussing monarchy versus democracy

• Suggestion that the U.S. is no longer a republic but has moved into democracy

• Questioning whether people are better off under current system compared to past

(54:24) Cody's book recommendations and future projects

• Cody mentions his book "Fight the Powers" about political and demonic power

• He has a short book on Christian nationalism from an Anabaptist perspective

• Cody will be taking over some hosting duties for the Libertarian Christian podcast

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127. Jesus and Politics with Liberty Minds

About this Episode

Craig welcomes Bob from the Liberty Minds Facebook page to explore our favorite intersection: politics and faith. Bob, a man who's lived everywhere from Central America to North Carolina, and now calls the Golden State home, brings a unique perspective to the discussion. But this isn't your typical California dreamin' conversation. The duo pack-in spicy takes that'll make you rethink the politics of your childhood church pew.

Guest Background

Bob shares his experiences of living in various parts of the world and how these experiences shape his views on life in California. Despite the state's challenges, he appreciates its cultural diversity and quality of life, offering skeptics a fresh take on what it means to call California home.

The discussion highlights Bob's political journey from a conservative talk radio listener to libertarian thinker. This shift was driven by his desire for consistency in his beliefs and the realization that his Christianity should guide his political views. Bob reflects, "I started realizing my Christianity needs to be dictating how I actually feel about these things. And that started shifting me."

Christianity and Political Ideologies: A Delicate Balance

Bob and Craig delve into the intersection of Christian beliefs and political ideologies. Bob grapples with balancing market-based solutions with compassion for the poor and marginalized, often facing criticism for his empathetic stance. He remarks, "The more that I seem to care about those folks, the more I get called a left winger.”

Reflecting on the 2024 re-election of Donald Trump, Bob and Craig express their disillusionment with both major political parties. They critique the lack of anti-war sentiment on the Left and the continuation of harmful foreign policies by both sides. 

Contemplating the Future of the American Empire

They end with a sobering look at the future of the American empire. Craig ponders the timeline of a downfall and Jesus’ return while Bob voices uncertainty about its future, noting economic challenges alongside continued global influence. He states, "It seems like every year two things concurrently happen. The United States slips further into insolvency economically and in every way possible. The United States just gets worse, but at the same time somehow figures out a way to like exert violence and power on others to keep going." 

Yet the hope of heaven on earth remains and we continue to follow no king but christ.

Join Craig and Bob for a thought-provoking discussion that challenges mainstream narratives and encourages listeners to examine how their beliefs align with their politcal ideologies.

Connect with Liberty Minds:

Facebook Page

Episode Timestamps:

(01:21) Guest Background: Bob's Personal and Professional Life

• Family man, married for over 20 years with four kids

• Consultant in sales and marketing

• California resident

• Bob's experience living in various parts of the U.S. and abroad

• Christian Anarchist Circles and Regional Differences

(06:07) Liberty Minds Facebook Page and Political Discussions

• Bob's approach to political discussions on social media

• Balancing criticism of government actions with appreciation for local culture

(08:35) Bob's Political Journey

• From Republican upbringing to conservative talk radio influence

• Shift towards libertarianism and eventual disillusionment with mainstream politics

• Evolution of political views influenced by Christianity

(16:27) The Danger of "Both Sides Bad" Arguments

• Addressing the perception of intellectual laziness in criticizing both political sides

• The importance of engaging in meaningful action beyond criticism

(19:56) Differences Between Right and Left Political Approaches

• Perceptions of how conservatives and liberals approach government growth

• Current state of political radicalization

(26:08) The Anti-War Left and Disappointment in Political Consistency

• Disappearance of the anti-war left

• Frustration with support for candidates continuing harmful policies

(34:43) The Future of the American Empire

• Potential fall of the American empire

• Balancing the desire for change with concerns about suffering during societal collapse

(47:10) Liberty Minds' Social Media Presence

• Primary focus on Facebook platform

(48:27) Closing Thoughts

• Appreciation for intellectual discussions on political topics

• Importance of finding like-minded individuals for meaningful conversations

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